Will we ever see the REAL Robyn Sullivan Brown?
Frankly speaking, as my mother would say, Robyn pretty much showed the Sister Wives audience (and her unblocked followers) her...um...derriere earlier this week with her Twitter meltdown.
After a few hours of reflection, no doubt mandated by a TLC PR representative, Robyn managed to tweet a few --- wait, a LOT of comments to explain her behavior.
Girlfriend, if you hadn't tweeted those two selfies, you could have gone the "My Twitter Account was HACKED" route. But, hindsight IS 20/20 as the saying goes.
And let's face it, those tweets had Robyn Sullivan Brown written all over them.
So here's her explanation. You can be the judge if this was Robyn just keepin' it real...
So I tried something the last few days. I tried answering a lot hate messages and questions thrown my way from fans. It has taught me a..
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015...few things. 1. Some people no matter the truth you tell them just WANT to hate. It seems to give them life. It was strange to watch.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 20152. Some people really want to know the truth & have intelligent questions. They usually accepted what I said. They just want to understand.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 20153. Some people are really seeing what & who we are- a loving family just doing our best to make it work. The LOVE they see really seemed...
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015..to give them life. It really made me hopeful. It made me have faith in mankind.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015I really and truly wanted to clear up rumors and misunderstandings. I thought if I faced it head on then people would see the truth.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015I realize now for some people that no matter how much truth you show them, it will never matter. They will only see what they want.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015I want to promise those people just seeking truth that if they ask me a real question without hate & without cruelty, I will try to answer.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015I want to say thank you to those who are supportive & kind to us. Thank you for seeing the heart of our family. It means the world to me.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015Well, that's that. Do you think you've seen the "heart of our family" as Robyn says, or just the derriere of a manipulative woman trying to improve her much maligned public image?
You know, my question to her would be Why did you change your twitter picture from the picture of you hugging Kody to one without Kody? Was this to be consistent with your other three Sister Wives?
But alas, Robyn Sullivan Brown blocked me*, even though I never, ever sent her a tweet. No hate or cruelty was ever spewed from my Twitter towards her. So here I am, without an outlet to ask her this burning question on my mind. Does this mean the lady is a bit shady in her reasoning?
What are your thoughts??
* That's right, I simply can not let this go. And yes, I have other options but it's the PRINCIPLE that irks me the most. /RantOff
3/8/15 THIS JUST IN...
Hidden in another mass of tweets, the new Mrs. Kody Brown has attempted to explain why polygamy is the better "alternative" to monogamy.
I think it's time somebody takes a vacation from Tweeter before alienating another segment of society...
@bekyboo I think you need to look at it in terms of how many parents are there for the kids. Same sex couples don't have a mom and dad.
— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 7, 2015Many thanks to reader runKodyrun!
CJ, I too have to rant. I am sick and tired of the Brown clowns. They get rewarded by TLC time and time again. I don't believe crap of what they are saying. There is no way that they are not affected by what they are reading. It's human nature and Robyn showed her ass. She is trying to save face. They are force feeding their loyal fans this dribble. It's a love fest on their FB page. People think that their family is amazing and want to join the circus. Some women want to be wife #5. These fans are sick. I wish that these grifters get caught. IMHO, I feel that they are committing some type of fraud. Pretty sure it's financial. These people will do whatever they can for the money. No, I don't buy the divorce story. Why not get Robyn's ex to give up his rights first. There is no guarantee that Kody will adopt Robyns kids. This is a lie. I hope they get caught in all the lies they have told. They forget that people can go back to previous shows and hear a different story. This fake adoption is for ratings and to get renewed by TLC. I know that they read this blog. CJ should get paid for keeping this show afloat. So many things said on this blog have appeared on the show. I don't respect any of them. Nor do I think that any of the women are smart. They are all in this together. Money is the glue that holds them together, not love. They don't know what it's like to have someone completely love them. I hope that someone working with the IRS would read this blog and turn them in to be investigated. Look what happened to Theresa from the RHONJ. Someone turned them in and now they are serving time for fraud.
ReplyDelete"Money is the glue that hold them together, not love" so very, very true. I wonder which wives would still be with Kody if not for the money from the show and their nice houses? My guess is at least 1 or 2 would be gone at this point. Robyn is clearly the favorite and Kody does nothing to hide it.
DeleteIt will be interesting to see what ratings look like next season, there seem to be a lot of disgruntled viewers out there. For every positive comment about the Browns, there are 20 negative ones.
I'm reminded of the Princess Bride every time Robyn or the Browns talk about 'truth'....I do not think that word means what YOU think it does.
DeleteIt would be INCONCEIVABLE to those people that anyone has the mental ability or logic to put their lies together and see the sham of their lives and truth for what it is.
Think about it, if viewers can easily see the bullshit that these women have lived with for decades, and call Kody out for being a poor excuse for anything (especially a husband or father) we must be geniuses with preternaturally honed lie detectors...but we think they suck...so we can't be geniuses...because that would mean they're wrong and their lives have been based on lies and mistakes...their whole family would be a lie...the world is upside down!
I think the Browns HAVE to believe it. There's no other excuse. I honestly can't imagine 5 people being so stupid without a certain amount of willfulness thrown in just to keep from dying of shame and or sadness.
That being said, KODY and Robyn seem most aware of the game and their manipulation, but even then they must believe they're in the right.
Even when spewing lies and confusion. Human beings can and will justify the most heinous acts imaginable to survive, to be able to look in the mirror and not cringe.
Between "money is the glue that holds them together" and countless viewers being disgruntled, folks will continue to tune in to follow the train wreck There is so much controversy now with the faux adoption and the divorce/marriage shocker. This has enhanced their marketability and secured their next season. Robyn going rogue with her ridiculous 9-part egotistical tweets endears her to her fan base and enrages the rest of us -- in both scenarios drawing viewers. It never ceases to amaze me how her shenanigans turn to gold.
DeleteI just made a comment at the end of the prior blog post, but it didn't post. I hope it is ok for me to re-write it here. It is more relevant here, anyway.
ReplyDeleteRobyn's recent twitter activity proves to me that the adoption scenario is a ruse to disguise the real reason for the divorce. I've decided that this show is 100% fake.
We know Robyn is a non-responder and a blocker on twitter. All of a sudden, she has taken to twitter and is manically insisting that the show is "as real as it gets" and that she is genuine ("I'll try to answer [questions],")
Why? Because the show is fake. She knows it and she is afraid everyone else is catching on, too. She is doing anything she can to show that she is genuine, open, and credible. If she comes across as credible and open, she hopes the audience will perceive the Brown family as honest and open. The audience will be more likely to swallow the adoption story as true.
In other words, the lady doth protest too much.
If that is not enough to convince you of the total insincerity of this show, consider the other evidence:
1. Meri has tweeted that she will not marry Kody after the adoption is final.
Why, Mer? Why wouldn't you go back to the way it has successfully worked for years? Plenty of fans worry that Kody favors Robyn over the other sister wives (who are fan favs). Why wouldn't you and Kody want to avoid the appearance that Kody favors Robyn?
The answer is obvious. The adoption was not the true reason for the divorce. I am guessing that the real reason involved Kody following his heart, or other (smaller) body part, and committing to his soul mate, Robyn.
2. Janelle's statements during the tell-all were unusual and totally out of character for her.
Janelle rarely speaks unless she is defending Kody or minimizing something (namely, claiming that something is "no big deal.") She just zones out there on the couch, until she is cornered into answering a question.
During the tell-all, however, she did admit that was concerned about public perception about the divorce. (She knows where her income comes from!) She also took the initiative to praise Meri's sacrifice in divorcing Kody. TWICE.
Why is Janelle speaking up all of a sudden? Why is she praising her nemesis, Meri? Again, more evidence that the true motive for the divorce has not been revealed. Janelle knows that the show is the main income for the family. Janelle is desperate to sell the "adoption" storyline to the audience to keep the show going.
(to be continued)
Part 2
ReplyDelete3. The Browns have an agenda and have a track record of deceit. Favoritism doesn't line up with the image that the Browns want to sell to their audience. They need the adoption storyline to further their "polygamy is tough, but we are one big family with blessings that monogamists wouldn't understand" message.
The Browns fully acknowledge they have an agenda. They want to influence the public's perception of polygamy and decriminalize it. This is NOT a reality show, it is propaganda. It doesn't show reality. It is an infomercial that "sells" the positive side of polygamy. The negative side of polygamy is conveniently omitted.
Christine admits that she has been trained to "spin" to promote polygamy. ( "Principle Voices gave [me] extensive media training about how to field questions . . . we were taught how to skim the surface of the question, give a truthful answer without going into much detail.")
Christine writes that the Browns were promised substantial control over the content of Sister Wives. The producer "said that [the film crew] would respect our wishes whenever we needed to deal with something off camera." (p 240) She also writes that the producer always edited the footage to "[convey] the meaning of our confession exactly as we wished." p. 243)
On media tours (when the Browns couldn't control the filming and editing) they "needed to watch every work that came out of our mouths . . .[w]e wantedt he proper messages to get out there - the positive ones that pertained to love and family." When they said the wrong thing, they "had to do a little damage control." p. 244)
Meri even admits that the family members are very careful about what they say in the talking heads. They quickly learned to keep their grievances private and be careful to present their family members in a positive light.
("The 'couch sessions,' in which we talk about issues and problems, were a real wake-up call for our family. We had to learn to think before we spoke. At first, when the producer would ask us questions about a particular situation, each of us would answer as if he or she was alone with the camera, and not sitting on the couch with the rest of the family. Often, one of us would inadvertently throw a sister wife or Kody under the bus, publicly airing a grievance that would have been better dealt with in private. p 215-216)
Of course, the bankruptcies and possible welfare fraud are further evidence of their history.
Bottom line: This show is completely insincere and fake. The Browns omit relevant information, and out-and-out lie. They admit they are spinning and deflecting to accomplish their agenda. There is nothing "real" here. It is all fabricated.
"This is NOT a reality show, it is propaganda. It doesn't show reality. It is an infomercial that "sells" the positive side of polygamy."
DeleteYes !!!!
And by selling the positive side, they were hoping to be a benign freak show that would endure for endless seasons (paychecks) like the Duggers.
Along with having free reign to tailor the Plyg perception, and sanitize their grifting history.
The Browns are definitely up to something and they haven't revealed their true agenda yet. Time will tell. Very strange that Meri said she will never re-marry Kody.
DeleteOne thing this family has really done is to show the rest of the world how dysfunctional and unfair polygamy really is.
CJ, will you be opening up your living room for the Oprah interview with the Brown's on Sunday night?
ReplyDeleteIt's on the OWN network, it's called Where Are They Now and the episode description says: Matthew Shepherd's parents, Leeza Gibbons & the Browns from Sister Wives.
DeleteIt looks like Leeza's got the chore of interviewing them, not Oprah...
Darn, I was deleting my comment and I deleted the wrong one!!! Sorry...but I answered your question at least!
DeleteAnd yes, my living room will be open for anyone wanting to discuss!
DeleteDidn't know it was on. .. I've now set my DVR to record it! Thanks!
DeleteWonder if it'll be another soft interview/ego stroking like what Tamron Hall does.... hopefully they'll be asked real questions!
DeleteI don't understand why we need a 'where are they now' segment on the Browns. We all know exactly where they are - they were just on TV last week and on twitter 5 minutes ago.
DeleteI'm with mythoughtis on this, which is why I'm glad I can instead just read CJ's write up of it!!!
DeleteI threw up in my mouth a bit when I read the show's description (from US magazine):
"Forced to uproot his wives and 17 children in 2011 from Utah to Las Vegas to avoid arrest, Kody Brown tells Where Are They Now that he and his wives put precautions in place if they ever got locked up. "We had all listed who our kids would go to in the event we were taken away," Meri explains in the interview, which was taped in January. Robyn, Brown's newest wife, says she lived in fear that each family meal would be her last. "I remember having dinner with Kody during this time and looking across the table, [wondering] if it was the last time," Robyn said."
This is such unrealistic nonsense... (smh)
Anyways, I also wanted to say that I've made a post on David Preston Jessop's childhood:
http://politicsrusprinciple.tumblr.com/post/113016600913/sister-wives-david-preston-jessop
One minor spoiler: His other mother writes romance novels. ;)
Hi Principle Tumbler! First, I have to say I really love and appreciate your tumblr site...i have learned so much from you over the past year, I do not have a tumblr account so I haven't been able to participate, but I wanted to thanks while I had the chance. Thank you also to CJ for hosting such an amazing site that brings together some pretty amazing people.
DeleteThese people drive me nuts! Wonder what kind of bs they'll cook up to guarantee that their fall season makes it on the air.
DeleteBtw, The Principle tumblr, I love your site! Between the living rooms & your tumblr, I always have something to read while I'm working. And CJ, the amount of work you put into this, thank you lady!
...few things. 1. Some people no matter the truth you tell them just WANT to hate. It seems to give them life. It was strange to watch.
ReplyDelete— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 5, 2015
"It was strange to watch"
Sobbin, rejoice.....for once I agree with you !!!!!!!!!!!!!
You bet .....It WAS strange to watch !!
But Sobbin Sweetie, or should we address you as the new and legal and "just want to be loved and understood" Mrs. Brown....
You, as usual, are having trouble comprehending and understanding things. !!
The "strange " of your tweet hissy rant ....was YOU !!!
You were the strange element. You were the oddity, darling.
It sure was "strange" watching YOU, a late 30's, mother of four, unravel herself so ridiculously to the point of posting (yikes) 2 jammy selfies !! What were you thinking??
That by doing selfies you were going to turn the tides of people who see through all the BS?
But hey, Sobbin, mission accomplished.
They *saw* you, no doubt about that. You made sure of that !!
The world saw you !!
And now you have an acute case of Tweeter's Lament !!!
NOW you say that all you were doing was "Kodyworld PR" and continuing "community Plyg-education" for those infidels who cannot (and will not) buy what you and your other Brown cohorts are selling. Don't embarrass yourself even more with a BS excuse like that.
Have some dignity !!! Geez !!
It is time for you all to realize that your sham of a show has saturated itself.
Like a sponge that has taken on all the water it can possibly hold......the viewers are saturated with the BS.
"Some people no matter the truth you tell them just WANT to hate."
ReplyDeleteThe Truth You Tell. Hmmm. That kind of seems like the "truth you make up." Or "the truth that nets us the most money from TLC."
"The truth you tell them..." What is that?! She is delusional.
DeleteBelieving 'the truth you tell them' aka 'the truth we are comfortable with' aka 'the truth we created' aka 'lies' is part of the 'keep sweet' doctrine so pervasive in their community and family dynamic...
DeleteIf people question the 'truth you tell them' they wonder why one wife gets more (money, time, affection, POWER) than another, why daddy spends more time with some kids than others, why mommy cries all the time, why KODY gets to rule in heaven, why all of the older children can't stand to look at daddy anymore, etc.
If you don't believe the truth Robyn or Kody tells you the whole thing falls apart.
I mean, this is the same logic used by Warren Jeffs to keep his compound in check even after his imprisonment, so it's gotta be good advice. A guy like that, a RELIGION like that couldn't be wrong.
Truth? Funny but I haven't seen 1 truthful answer from her yet...just lots of bobbing & weaving around the questions. Kody & Krew spend so much time lying I bet they can't even remember what's true and what's not at this point.
ReplyDeleteI kind of like this page:
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unring_the_bell
Unring the bell
"It's really hard to unring the bell, once that bell has been rung, and ask people to forget what they've heard." (read)
"After the thrust of the saber it is difficult to forget the wound," was another, and then the most colorful one of all, "If you throw a skunk into the jury box, you can't instruct the jury not to smell it."
I'm surprised CJ hasn't been offered a LOT of money to remove that page with those pesky Robyn Sobbin drunkyn Twitter Tweets but like they say...You can't "Unring that bell" after so many many people viewed it and blogs, people, web pages commented on it.
It's too late, several tabloid sites have posted stories on Robyn's fiasco, very similar to C.J.'s. They probably owe C.J. money for the story. I clicked on one story from Yahoo's News. The majority of comments were not positive toward Robyn or Kody which says a lot because they were just your average viewer. I would post some links, but not sure if C.J. can allow that? Google should get you there.
DeleteI think it's all a matter of perspective. LOL Mindy commented that no one can "win" in a discussion with Robyn and Cody congratulated Mindy on that awareness. We all saw Robyn revealing her limited intelligence/social skills while the Browns saw She-rah triumphing again. bgee
ReplyDeleteThey're just trying to make Sobyn Robyn feel better or trying to make sure she stops raging and making everyone's lives miserable, even they probably know she came off looking bad. There were probably a few smug sister wives the next day. Mindy was right though, there were no winners in Robyn's Twitter war except maybe people looking for entertainment. I feel even worse for her kids and her "bonus kids" who have no say in having to deal with her.
DeleteWhat kid of mom is up all night on a school night engaging in Twitter wars? Doesn't she have young kids to get up with? I won't even say what I was going to say about her possible drinking. I wonder if Kody is starting to realize this was a mistake for his image? Robyn is unstable, unstable people do very, very strange, often damaging things.
Now this is really out there, but we all have wondered why Kody is always holding Sol and so obviously spends more of his time with him. What if we've overlooked that Kody knows Robyn just isn't able to handle Sol all of the time and he spends the extra time with him to shield him from her mood swings? What if all the other wives know this too and they all try to pacify Robyn as much as possible to keep things low key so the show can go on? Nah, that's giving them too much credit.
Kody probably thinks it;s Robyn PMSing
DeleteBy the way, love, love, love the blog! It's like Diet Coke for my eyes.
ReplyDeleteMy pleasure, My Two "Sense". Enjoy!!
DeleteC'mon CJ...you can't blame her from blocking you when you have an entire website that is critical of her family. Even if you never tweeted her, I'm sure she knows who you are and I can't really blame her for it.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's the ONLY thing I can't blame her for. ;-)
Robyn may think she is polygamist royalty because she sleeps with Kody who sleeps with Christine but she had better put on her big girl panties and grow up. When you put yourself on T.V. you are asking for critiques.And as the saying goes she can dish it out but not take it. Robyn can block twitter but can David Jessop afford to fight TLC lawyers to restore his good name ? How does he on a daily basis face coworkers and neighbours? Robyn's whole life cannot be staged ,scripted and edited like their debate at UNLV.
DeleteC'mon CJ...you can't blame her from blocking you when you have an entire website that is critical of her family.
DeleteYes I can. As I've said, I have never directly tweeted her and never intended to tweet her, ever.
I replied once to a tweet by Meri and she laughed when she responded with more info. I wasn't blocked. The only person to block me (on season premiere night January 4th 2015) was the person who went batshit crazy on Twitter recently.
Perhaps she did me a favor by sparing my timeline from the clutter of her vapid tweets.
Now you will need to excuse me. I must spend some time in the Harmony Hut at Camp Chippewa. Tonight's film is Frozen...
Robyn blocked me too and only after I joined the living room on Facebook so she saw my name there and blocked me...later, Meri blocked me. I have never commented on either person's twitter account. I did, just the other night, comment on Kody's and he blocked me but he was getting all these you are such a great father things and he was really gloating in how great he was and I just said that a father tucks all his kids in every night; a good father, is there for all the issues that arise....and a few more things and bam...he blocked me....now the only two accounts I can read or Christines and Janelles. I guess, one could argue, that I deserved to be blocked from Kody's because I did say all the stuff about what is a good father....but the other two, not so much. Logic, my friend CJ, does not find a home in the hearts of the defenders of crazy and Robyn defends crazy as if her life depended on it and, in a way, her livelihood does depend on it.
DeleteI just want to say that I know Mindy used to follow the old SWB on Twitter, I think. I remember seeing it under her follow list. Let's not kid ourselves, the Browns know all about this site, read here and probably post here.
DeleteFunny how the 'epitome' of sister-wife-hood is the moment when they are all crying (like during the tell-all or the signing of divorce papers). Robin, who claims to be a relationship expert, has been the one to point this out to the public on numerous occasions.
ReplyDeleteHowever, from what I have seen, the tears are not all for the same thing in regard to whatever issue is at hand. Each wife seems to grieve about their own situation, or the situation from her perspective.
This is just working too hard to have a life, in my opinion. I am done with watching this show. It's time to shake the dust off my feet and move along.
The public does not want their father to lose his children. The public is fine with kody treating the children well when they are with mom. The public does not want to hear that Robyn a grown woman blames another person for her having premarital sex and getting pregnant. The public does not want to hear one spouse blame another for their own debt in multiple names. A divorce can leave debt. But not in three names. The public does not want to hear you blame their father for not seeing the kids enough when you took them so far away in the first place and require possession of shared husband to drop them off. Stick them on a plane already. How inefficient. The public does not want to hear your ex's status on child support. First it is not necessary. Second it's probably not true. Third you spend into tomorrow and your new husband and all your sisters have declared bankruptcy. If he had custody and you were behind would you want us to support his terminating your rights. The public could have seen blessings from polygamy but hasn't seen any. We could have. Only we see Annie and mindy needed. No one stepping up for hospitalizations. No kid sharing. No memories for daddy for his grown kids. We see pain and uneven relationships and a hierarchy that puts kids ahead of wives. We see an officially broken marriage for reasons that don't make sense. How they got from point a to b on this process is unclear to me. You say your ex voluntarily with no pressure is allowing the kids to be officially adopted or allowing kody to be guardian of robyn dies. You marry another wife. It's just paper.
ReplyDeleteWell stated, kms.
DeleteI'm still shocked she expects anyone to believe the whole Victoria's Secret bullcrap. I mean seriously.... So where did all the other tall ladies in that area get their clothes?
ReplyDeleteUTAH- where the small plyg communities have no access to Walmart, target, Sears, kohls, Kmart, jcpenny, any other small retail chain, resale shop or Salavtion Army or Goodwill store.... But they somehow manage to spend thousands at Victoria's Secret.
Speaking as the mother of a tall girl (6 ft). It can be very difficult to buy clothes that fit right. However, we have managed without the use of Victoria and her Secrets for quite a while.
DeleteShe was in Pinesdale Montana which is in the middle of no where.
DeleteHer story of only being able to get pants long enough at Victoria's Secret is total crap.
DeleteFor the last 20 years or so, many major women's stores and clothing lines have carried the option of TALL pants, and even jackets. And if she did live in such a remote area, doubtful there was a VS store there either.. She likely ordered online or mail order from them.
In which case, Sears and many others like it had that option too.
Besides, supposedly she is 5'9' with long legs, which is not such a big deal.
I am 5'9' with long legs and it really is not that hard to find clothes that fit.
I could care less where she buys or bought her clothes. What I do care about is that whatever she bought and reneged on paying for, we taxpayers *and paying consumers* had to absorb her debts. Of course, as we know, she isn't the only Brown adult to use "non payment" as a shopping strategy..
Personally I don't care where the hell she bought her clothes. Better for her to just shrug it off with a "hey, I like Victoria's Secret, what can I say" rather than make up a crappy excuse.
DeleteHowever, there are PLENTY of crappy excuses to go around.
The show IS pro-polygamy propaganda.
It's annoying that Christine makes comments that belittle so many of the viewers with her anti-monogamy rants and her "I don't care what they think" attitude. She is lost in the confusion of her own mind.
While they may claim that their agenda, or 'mission'--pro-polygamy propaganda is what is keeping this sinking ship afloat, we all KNOW that it is the love of money that propels them into repeat seasons of 'creating a truth' out of their lives for the camera. Otherwise they would get the hell off of tv. A righteous man or woman would see this truth and embrace it.
Maybe they started out with the intention of promoting polygamy, but once they saw and received attention and money, their mission became to bleed TLC. They literally sold their souls for their McMansions, and now they're at risk of losing them, if the show doesn't continue, so they're downward spiraling into any seemingly salacious storyline to try to keep them.
DeleteRobyn's Twitter rants are also downward spirals, because she experienced backlash that she didn't anticipate and couldn't handle, because she's so self-absorbed and self-serving. True to form, she goes between crying victim outright and playing victim by having to pity the less enlightened. In her apology/redemption rant, she applies their persecution logic: "I'm asking you not to judge me, but I'll judge you and classify you into one of 4 categories..."
They're only promoting their own dysfunctional dynamic for their own benefit. They never visit other AUB polygamists (whom they must have known their entire lives). Rather, they visit non-denominational and "Biblical" polygamists, and the Browns conclude that polygamy should be legitimized, because they - the Browns - accept these people, except when they mock them on subsequent episodes and judge if they're doing polygamy right.
Very valid point that they do not visit other AUB polygamists .I saw a video that one stipulation was given to the UNLV debaters was not to mention the AUB connection the Brown's have. How can they claim persecution if there are thousands more visible polygamists when they fled Utah?
DeleteI have one daughter who is 6'2" and she finds pants long enough. Granted, she has to look around for them but she's never, ever set foot in a VS store or used their catalog. I have another daughter who is 6' and she wears a size 2. Now THAT is hard to find! - long jeans and skinny. But you know where she finds the most pants? Western Wear stores! and guess where you can find a ton of those stores? MONTANA! Robyn's an idiot!
DeleteI like your commentary, Grifter Lives, especially that last paragraph. Nicely stated.
DeleteI think the Browns visit non-AUB polygamists to show that the lifestyle/"principle" is practiced by non Mormon fundamentalists. I think it is an attempt to legitimize the AUB. Hey, Christians do it too! I also wonder how much the AUB is involved in the show storylines and in the subsequent hasty rationales for the surprise story twist of the divorce/marriage/adoption. Surely Grody wants to do everything he can to enhance his standing with the church elders. Plus the Brown Family tithing must be substantial.
DeleteWhile Pinesdale MT may not be a thriving center of commerce, it is hardly "the middle of nowhere;" Google maps says it's less than an hour drive to Missoula. Missoula has a large university and almost 70,000 people, so certainly has clothing stores that could accommodate such a giantess (by the way, I too am 5'9" and have lived in some far more rural areas - we're talking a 3 hour drive to a medium sized city - and never had to order VS clothes nor dig myself deeply into debt over stupid CLOTHES).
DeleteI think Robyn may have some form of ADHD, as her Twitter actions (and those we see on the show) appear to be very impulsive and she seems to be VERY poor at managing money.
Honestly, I wouldn't even give this show any attention except that I still can't understand why any of these women wanted to marry the world's stupidest egomaniac. Let Robyn have ol' Paunchy, who cares? They can fritter their money away on endless honeymoons and Rogaine and Viagra and vanity businesses and ugly home decor so that idiot man-child can run around, greasy hanks of hair flapping, while his children grow up with the saddest, worst, least responsible role models imaginable.
And by the way, if Meri wants to work with disadvantaged youth, she needs to get her own life in order before she tried to help children with ther problems. Who wants a divorced woman who scrapes for crumbs of her ex husband's affections as a role model or mentor to kids? Good lord, as an educator I think no role model would be better than the Browns. As much as they talk about what a "loving" family they are, they set some pretty horrible examples for the young women in their family for what treatment they should accept from men in their lives.
ol' Paunchy is right. Even my mother, who watches only occasionally, made a comment about Kody looking 'bloated' lately.
Deletegood ol' Paunchy.
"Greasy hanks of hair flapping" LOL!!!!!!
DeleteSunday night for some reason the show made me feel so sad. I don't understand these people and I sure don't understand the lifestyle and I'm really not a hater. My first thought for Mary was RUNNNNN, get Kody's name off of the deed to your house and make him sign a quit claim and take the equity and go live your own life. Be with Mariah. I don't know what to say to Christine, she deserves so much more out of life than what she is getting now. Jennell , please be your own person. You are smart, educated and could hold your own anywhere you wanted too. You deserve more too. As far as Robyn goes, I really don't care. I don't know how much was made up and what wasn't but I do know that Jennell and Christine got the shaft by Kody marrying Robyn and common sense should tell them to tell Kody go and don't let the door hit him in the butt on the way out. There love is not multiplied it is divided, when I was married my husband gave me 100%. Kody divides his by 4. This whole plural marriage is so sad.
ReplyDeleteShe can't stop tweeting, it's hilarious. She is just dying to clean up her image. It is killing her that so much of the audience has turned against her. And I suspect the other ones are loving it!
ReplyDeleteI don't know anon 6:16, I really don't like to watch anyone self destruct. Even if I think they deserve it.
DeleteRobyn is handling this like a middle school preteen. Ack!
DeleteEh she's not self-destructing. She is right where she wants to be.
DeleteThe Hawaii trip topic just won't die. LOL! Robyn is still insisting that that trip was NOT a honeymoon. That she saved up money to go. That tickets were already bought and paid for 8 months before Meri brought up the idea of the divorce/remarriage. That the trip was in October and she legally wed in December. Girl is trying to cover all bases.
ReplyDeleteIf she's claiming that tickets were bought & paid for 8 months in advance, she probably used part of her income tax return to pay for it. She was a single mom filing as head of household & get multiple child tax credits.
DeleteI recall that in an episode a few years back, they were planning a surprise for Kody, and to get him in the house, Robyn volunteered to tell him she needed him ASAP as she had some kind of problem with something in the house. She gleefully announced to the camera what a great liar she is. Wow, what a great skill to be proud of. Comes in real handy explaining your life style, and dealing with your current husband's ex wife and two mistresses.
DeleteDoesn't she have a lien against her house for failure to pay bills? Maybe she should save up for that instead of a trip to Hawaii?
DeleteDoesn't look like anything new on Sunday night. Clip shows the group sitting on Meri's couch telling how they were preparing to be arrested and the scene of the announcement to the kids that they were moving. That scene must be worn out by now! Hasn't the entire world seen it?
ReplyDeleteThis is off topic, but I am a long time mostly lurker but sometimes poster and usually post under a consistent name. I just want to thank CJ and the regular posters because reading this blog helped me decide to move forward w IVF to have a 2nd baby. I am 44 and like Meri have one daughter but have always wanted a 2nd. I was debating IVF at the same time Meri was having all of her histrionics about whether to try it, and all of the discussion on this blog and criticism of her wishy washiness helped me realize I needed to make a decision either way and move on. So, I got over my whiny indecision and started the process. After a year of failed cycles,, I am finally thrilled to be pregnant! We ended up giving up on my own eggs due to chromosomal abnormalities, and choosing to change course to donor eggs was extremely difficult also. I am surprised how natural it feels now and how little I care that the baby will not share my DNA. I am so grateful to this blog for helping me analyze and make this decision!!! Just wanted to thank you all and point out to critics that this blog -though it has plenty of snark and criticism - isn't about hate.
ReplyDeleteWow! Congrats to you and prayers for a happy healthy baby!
DeleteWill you name the wee one CJ? ;O)
You are right, this Blog has never been about hate. I actually think there is more SISTERHOOD found here than in the cuddle sac. Congratulations on your pregnancy!
DeleteThat's fantastic! Such happy news. Congratulations.
DeleteGood for you! Prayers for blessings and love in your family!
DeleteBest wishes for a healthy and happy pregnancy !!
DeleteMay God bless and keep you always. Wishing you the best of everything.
DeleteCongrats!!!!
DeleteA little late in replying, but just wanted to say Congrats!! This is my fav blog. Ive learned so much from CJ and the great ladies here that post.
DeleteAnonymous 7:23, Congratulations and all good things! Wishing you a healthy pregnancy, a beautiful, healthy child, and many, many years of happiness. Blessings to you!
DeleteCongratulations on your pregnancy, Anon! What wonderful news! All the best to you!
ReplyDeleteCongratulations!
ReplyDeleteEveryone - check out a psychic on Youtube, Tracey Brown / Pop Culture Psychic. She did a reading on Sister Wives, uploaded her video on 3/4. She takes requests and was asked about this show and about the remarriage. She doesn't watch the show and is only aware that Kody divorced Meri, so wonders a couple times when Kody will marry Robin. But, she hit on some key things, that 'one of the women is sneaky.' I wish she had been watching because she is guessing some things, but says she will watch and post more. Her videos about casting the View were right on.
ReplyDeleteEngaging in a twitter war with Robyn amounts to ramming one's head into a brick wall and hoping the brick wall moves... Because she lacks logic or the ability to see more than her side of the story, she cannot even understand where her contenders are coming from. I get her side of the story: she was raised in the lifestyle; it's their religious belief system; she likes having the idea of a sister hood of women who share the same man...in some form or another someone has made her think that the way for women to really be close is through the sharing of a penis..without that penis, there cannot be true sisterhood. But, she cannot, for the life of her, entertain the idea that all of this is harmful...even when others have stepped up and said, but I was this or this or this; she will then say but that is only a small part. Now she is trying to defend her image of busting up Meri's legal marriage. In Robyn's pea picking' mind, restructuring is necessary because she wants Kody to adopt her kids and they become real Browns so her children will have the same leverage legally as Mariah and the other kids; however, she is so dumb, bless her heart, that she hasn't even considered that no judge will let Kody adopt more kids and even if her ex allows it, no judge would put those kids in that type of situation...he has all those kids from all those women and is from a religion that typically abuses girls and neglects boys after a certain age...not saying Kody does. Because Robyn cannot understand that most people see the lame attempts of Kody adopting her kids as lame, she wants to make sure that she clears it all up...Most of us see her move up as the legal wife as her manipulative plan to become...well...the legal wife who will be in charge of all things Kody and now she wants her three children by another man to stand in line for any benefits that Kody may provide upon his disability or death. Ought divided by a lot is barely above ought. She needs to do some figuring. But, now this has hurt Kody's and her image--something she is surprised by--so she is trying to save Kody and get people to feel sorry for her...in Robyn's mind, the logic to her ideas are always emotional...the poor children, we were abused, we had nothing....instead of looking at the ethics of the situation which is what we look at or the logic of it which is what we look at, she resorts to the emotional argument....When she cannot win through emotions, she sees everyone as haters....for Robyn, there are not ethical or logical arguments...she just cannot go there...hence the attempts at tears.....oh my.
ReplyDeletePerfectly stated! "She lacks the logic or ability to see more than her side of the story." exactly!!!
DeleteI was just watching the Tell Nothing and had to pause and comment. They say Kody doesn't live this way for attention. That he just wants to be involved in all their lives.
ReplyDeleteIf that were true then he wouldn't care if they had another man in their lives!
Also, they were upset about the idea that one was a sex wife and one the love wife etc as if they can't each be all those. Am I crazy or didn't kody himself say in the past that no single wife completely fulfilled him...? That they each gave him something different...?
Yes Kody has said that in the past. Now it offends him. They constantly contradict themselves.
DeleteYes, Cody has said that he doesn't think any particular one of his wives could meet all his needs and now he takes offense at the implication that his wives fulfill different needs in him, which is what the Anthroplogy professor was really getting at.
DeleteIt kind of makes sense. If you even think of your friends or siblings, they are all different people so your relationship with them will be unique. But I do think there is always one wife that is the most special at a given time.
DeleteI just want better editing and content. As in, I don't need all the set-up drama and contrived situations. I want to watch some normal day-to-day interactions of the families that are supposed to be one family. Seems they only have meals all-together if it is an occasion. What does Kody do all day? Is he with Robyn because he's working with her on the website business?
ReplyDeleteYes I feel snarky about some stuff but mostly, I honestly have no moral judgment of adult choices. The kids seem fine. All teenagers have rebellion and angst finding their own independence. The women don't really seem fine but I hate painting women as victims of men when these are choices they made and they had other options.
I find it disturbing, from the angle of the lifestyle they are trying to present as good, that the women do not generally have good relationships with each other. They are more competitors than friends and do not socialize with each other outside of the group events (lot of birthday parties for their children).
I'm not religious. You take an in depth look at any religion's doctrines and rituals and you find nutso. I'm just watching this show same as I watch the Real Housewives shows: entertain me with the pictures and stories of people leading lives that have nothing to do with my own reality. Then I need to go to sleep and get up and take care of myself and go to work to pay my rent, grocery, and cable bill. If my tv watching preferences minimally support these overbreeding odd people, so be it.
whatever-in-AZ
Regarding storylines, what these women do all day? Two have help raising their kids, one is an empty nester, and the other has a third one about to leave the nest. A day in the life of ..... series would be interesting. I'd like to see Janelle shuttling kids around to different after school activities (not just wrestling) and interacting with other parents. Since they don't hang out with each other, who do they hang with and what do they do? Going on the road with Meri would be interesting too.
DeleteYes! Now that might be interesting. Things have changed quite a bit since Utah. What does each adult spend their day doing? Let's follow along as ___________ goes through his/her average work day.
DeleteThey all say how BUSY they are all the time. Meri is too busy to go to school, what is she doing all day long. I find it hard to believe that MSWC is that successful that there is no time for anything else. I would like to see what these people do in their average day. I wonder how much time Janelle spends on her real estate business. I think there's some interesting content here but they just keep rehashing the same boring blah blah.
DeleteDisney land of course.
DeleteIn their book they all made reference to Robyn's wonderful "emotional maturity". It guess twitter rants, #BlockingSprees, & calling people haters is considered mature behavior in Kodyland! I've always had a suspicion their maturity level is stuck somewhere in early adolescence anyway.
ReplyDeleteIt's also funny to see how Robyn has positioned herself as the Brown PR person now that she's the legal wife. Nice of her to promise to answer "intelligent questions"- too bad she neglected to remind people her answers will probably be vague & not quite the truth!
I also remember Sobbin's smart mouth in the epp where Christine's Aunt was present for the panel discussion. I think that was the one where Christine hid in the bathroom until the others convinced her to come out. Sobbin had no trouble announcing her position and acting condescending and bitchy for the cameras.
ReplyDeleteYes, I remember it, too. SWEETIE.
DeleteQuestion: is there a difference between being a polygamist and being polyamorous? Seems the same when looking at the Browns as they honestly don't seem very religious. If they were, Kody wouldn't be so nervous and unprepared as their priesthood holder and service leader.
ReplyDeleteSidenote: spotted on Twitter that people have posted photos of Meri at Disneyland AGAIN today. Seems there by herself
I think that generally, all involved in a polyamourous are free to be with other partners.
DeleteBasically- In a polyamorous relationship everyone is free to have additional relationships. these are all known about by all parties and basically not restricted as long as they are not harmful dynamics (abusers, against the lifestyle, etc)
DeleteCJ (or whomever might recall), which episode did the top lefthand photo of Robyn come from, with her arms crossed and resting bitch face set? Was that the San Francisco/trying on clothes episode when they were eating out, tippling beer and acting like saying hi to Kody on the phone was tantamount to a public sex act? Man, the look on her face there sets off some primitive slapping instinct in me. ;)
ReplyDeleteYes, this picture was from the San Francisco episode, except the faux beer guzzling scene was earlier in the day with Robyn's bestest friend in the whole wide world at the table!
DeleteSuze orman meets the Browns. Wouldn't that be something?
ReplyDeleteOh man! Does she still do call in programs? That could be something to contact one of her producers.
DeleteSuze would never make it. Her head would explode about 5 minutes in. Hopefully, after she had bitch-slapped the head clown.
DeleteI heard Suze is retiring from TV.
DeleteNow that would be uncomfortable to watch!
Deletewhat is this it gives them life thing she says twice about haters and fans. Is this an expression I have never heard?
ReplyDeleteWhat is the stance of the AUB on those that leave the faith like Maddie? Are the Browns to dissociate? Is it accepted?
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't think so. They see them as LDS, as well as themselves, although the more true branch.
DeleteI have watched several episodes of Doris Hansen's "what love is this" (a tv show that airs on a Salt Lake public channel, that you watch on-line), anyway, there have been several ex-AUB members on the show, who all say the same thing, that although their relationship with their family may be strained, there is NO official shunning or anything like that at all. Based on what different ex-AUB have said, it seems, each family handles a child leaving the faith in different ways. Some of the twenty-something's that left, said their parents understood and were supportive, others said their parents were devastated, but all if them seemed to have some form of contact with their families after they left the faith.
DeleteHagar's Harem, I too am an avid watcher of "Polygamy: What Love Is this?" and have seen nearly every show (viewable online) Doris Hanson has done. One show in particular-- episode Episode 5.39 of October 18, 2012-- talks about how polygamous groups use fear to keep their members within their ranks.
DeleteRegarding the AUB specifically--the group which Kody Brown and family belong to-- Kristen Decker, Christine's aunt, and the daughter of the former AUB prophet, notes in her various interviews (Doris Hanson's show, the Rebecca Kimbel Show on Youtube, and on her former Blog Talk Radio station) that when a person leaves, there tends to be negative speculation, gossip, and badmouthing going on within the group concerning that individual. Those who leave the group and "live and let live," instead of taking on the group and / or are vocal about the abuses that go on in polygamy, are the ones who are "safe" enough for their family members to keep in touch with.
Case in point: recall the episode of the Browns doing the UNLV "debate." Christine was terrified of her aunt and did not want to have anything to do with her, simply because she exercised her right of free speech-- and has an opinion of polygamy that is contrary to Christine's. On the other hand Christine's mom, who left the AUB, is now living with her daughter. She didn't rock the boat when she left, and Christine has mentioned on the show that her mom still prays for Kody's family, that they will all stay strong.
Parents in AUB are unlikely to cut off their children, but the attitude of the general membership to people who leave is that they are "apostates" and "covenant breakers" who are going to hell.
DeleteSo what you are saying is as long as people keep their mouths shut about abuses in polygamy then they are more likely to be allowed contact. How special. And as you see with Annie she has had to cry, plead and beg for the experience to be part of her children's lives. Like the Brown women a big clue is all the tears.I suspect those who hope to someday reach their family on the inside try to toe a fine line so as not to offend them. Does this mean Rosemary William's should have kept her mouth shut about the sex abuse. Brady said they have been dealing with a lot of AUB shunning them. There has been a lot of fall out. I don't believe the watered down version of the truth any AUB person tells.
DeleteYou know, I really question if Robyn wants to be a polygamist. She won't admit it but I have a feeling that being in a monogamous first marriage where she was #1 was good, being a single parent was too tough so figured she'd "go polygamy" like her parents but deep down doesn't like sharing a man and doesn't have three other women raising her kids and supporting her financially like she was expecting. She feels too selfish to me to really function as a polygamist working as a team. Ha ha, not like I am an expert by any means! Double ha ha, bet I still know more than those phoney anthro students.
ReplyDeleteHave they been tossed from UNLV yet?
Anon11:26-- you have made some interesting points. I would agree with you but also state that they are not really polygamous, just living next door to the mistresses. Polygamy implies that they all operate as one unit. In this situation, it is clear that they operate as four separate units. They have seperate money, homes, relationships and they do not share child care or support each other emotionally. Robyn has not lived a polygamous marriage yet. She has ALWAYS lived in her own house with her own kids. She has never shared anything except Kody's time with the other women. And even that, she has had difficulty doing. A woman who has had another family member move in with her almost from day one to care for her children is not embracing the family. She has maintained a detached distance. The recent marriage to Kody is just part of her plan to create the monogamous marriage. She wanted Kody and the TLC money and has maneuvered herself into position. If she is wondering why people don't buy her act, that is why. She is not invested in this for anyone but herself. Now, if she had moved in with Meri, helped with childcare, supported Christine while she took classes, noticed Truley(instead of slapping at her), supported Janelle's business ideas and sacrificed for the family, she would be the darling to all in the family. Ask it is, she has just been a drain on their resources, emotional and financial. If I am Janelle and i crunch the numbers, I would see that she has taken more than she has given and I would resent her very presence.
ReplyDeleteMissy that is an excellent point...Robyn has never had to live with sister wives! The only difference with this marriage is she now shares her husband with 3 other women who also have independent households.
DeleteI absolutely agree with you. Robyn never has, in my opinion, wanted to really be polygamous, it just so happened that the man she wanted, was already polygamous, so she did what she had to do, convinced his only legal wife to give up her legal marriage, and got Kody to marry her. She drones on and on about the "sisterhood" yet I really don't see it, she "hires" outside help, she insists on her own house, separate vacations (has Robyn ever taken a family vacation for anything other than the show? She sure seems to have trouble enjoying those "family trips.") And now she's wanting Kody to adopt her kids from her previous marriage. No matter what she says, I still think she's going to "steal" Kody away from his other "wives" and leave and live monogamy with him and her kids. Until she gets tired of his immature and selfish antics and dumps him and lives on child support (for 4 kids, not just 1) and alimony.
DeleteI remember seeing a few tweets from Kody in December (location of tweets were Hawaii). So is she saying her Bday is in Oct, but they delayed it until December? If not and they actually went in Oct, why were the tweets showing up in December?
ReplyDeleteI just noticed that Sara Sullivan lists her employer as MSWC on her FB page. Isn't she the mother of that cute little girl shown sitting on the lap of one of the Brown girls in a recent family shot? So, Mindy Carol is nanny, sister Sara is taking care of MSWC and Robyn is doing what? And if there are any profits from the hobby business, how many of Robyn's relatives are on the payroll? The Brown's decision process will never cease to amaze me. bgee
ReplyDeleteCue up Sly and the Family Stone...(clearing throat)
DeleteIt's a family affair....It's a family affair...it's a family affair....it's a family affair....
And Kody's theme song should be the Temptation's Papa was a Rolling Stone...
DeletePapa was a rolling stone...Where ever he laid his hat was his home...
Speaking of songs - did none of the Browns see the irony in the song played during the big Deeevorce episode? Did TLC choose it? A little joke perhaps...
DeleteDown to the River to Pray
As I went down in the river to pray
Studying about that good ol' way
And who shall wear the starry crown?
Good Lord show me the way!
O sisters let's go down
Let's go down, come on down
O sisters let's go down
Down in the river to pray
As I went down in the river to pray
Studying about that good ol' way
And who shall wear the robe & crown?
Good Lord show me the way
"And who shall wear the robe & crown?"
DeleteWell hell, last season, we all saw exactly "who" wears the robe and crown at one of their backyard festivals.
It was the Kodyboy-man himself, wiith all attendees in adoration as he proudly modeled his "Burger King" crown and robe.
Over on the living room on Facebook, someone captured and posted a tweet of Robyns in which she explains why polygamy is so much superior to same sex parenting...you know, she says, in same sex parenting, there might not be a father in the picture.....sort of like in polygamy? Do you think?
ReplyDeleteWell, you know what Mrs Kody Brown? In the same sex families I have seen, the children had TWO that's 2!!!!! adults parenting 100% of the time, rather than a mother 100% with a father 25% (4 wives). Maybe the percentage is higher for the polygamous male IF all family units lived in one dwelling. But the Browns in the separate McMansions? Oh yeah, those kids are not seeing Kody 100% of the time. Except maybe the new Mrs. Kody Brown's kids.
DeleteYou know, I don't even think any other polygamist family would dare make such a boneheaded comment on social media!
Thanks CJ.for posting that here. All their talk about equality and letting everyone live their lives is just lip service.
DeleteLower the Plyg mother down to about 80% because Robyn said on the show how she hurries kids to bed on the nights Kody is there in order to focus on him & keep the honeymoon experience going...
DeleteFunny you should mention this CJ, I distinctly remember Maddie saying in either season 1 or 2 during some talk show interview, that when they were in Lehi, they (the kids) didn't really pay attention or know "whose night it was" because they would be mostly together in the evenings after dinner and then when it was time to go to bed, he would say goodnight to all the kids, they would go to their respective rooms, and then not really pay attention to where Dad slept that night....that is a BIG cry from how things are in Vegas! Those kids went from seeing Dad every day in Lehi to once every four days.
DeleteRemember how kody was bothered about Sol being in the bed so long? I bet the kids were never allowed to go into moms room, unless in a crib in the room like christines unit before robyn.
DeleteCJ, when I saw this twitter thing, all I could think about was all of my gay and lesbian friends who have children and how attentive they are to their kids. I think that Robyn doesn't get that it isn't the gender of the parents that matters but the actions of the parents that matters. Attentive and devoted parents who are in their children's lives and know their children raised much more stable and happier children than those coming from homes like we see coming from the Browns. For instance, we have Kody who cannot be bothered to tend to the day-to-day activities of the kids; we have four women who are raising their children alone and when the baby daddy does come for a "booty call" I mean visit to the moms, the wives put the kids to be so quick so she can have him all to herself. So, not only are the children competing with the neighborhood kids for their daddy's affection but also their own moms. All of my gay and lesbian friends and my straight friends who are all in monogamous relationships put their children first and they co parent with each other. I cannot for the life of me understand how they think what they are doing works. Robyn's tweet that children with same sex parents don't have either a mother or father and all I can say to her is...wow, Robyn, do you really see a lot of mothering and fathering going on over there in the compound? Seriously.
Delete"And if there are any profits from the hobby business, how many of Robyn's relatives are on the payroll?"
ReplyDeleteMy questions are ....
Come tax time, have they ever declared profits from the Junk Store?
Or have they just been filing losses every year?
Perhaps Janelle, the family accountant extraordinaire, will tweet us the answer in between her "Phew, I am working out...early !!" alerts. We *know* she reads here.
Or.... do they have it under non-profit status as part of their "church"?
Their church that only has the chairs set up in someone's family room when any TLC-hired company comes to visit and the cameras are rolling.......Say, once a year.
@bekyboo I think you need to look at it in terms of how many parents are there for the kids. Same sex couples don't have a mom and dad.
ReplyDelete— Robyn Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) March 7, 2015
Wow, Sobbin just will not/ cannot learn to.... *Shut Her Mouth* !!
Gee, Mrs. Brown.....think of the math, if that was your point.
Same sex parents = 2 parents, both available and devoted to child.....
Plygs = 1 parent and a variable fraction of the other parent who is not devoted and available full time.
And please don't trot out the "bonus moms" concept.
Despite the PC (Plyggy Correct) words you all speak, the viewers have seen how that *really* works.
So here's a new Topic since I haven't been blocked yet.
ReplyDeleteWhat would you ask Robin on Twitter?
I would like to know why she is constantly talking about how there is never enough money for all thier kids etc, but she feels the need to lust aftr expensive designer goods? I was taught if you work hard enough and study hard enough and find a job that compansates you fairly you can save up for whatever you like...I don't htink she studied hard, currently works hard, or knows how to save up for essentials let alone major expensive designer goods.
DeleteI'm confused. How does comparing polygamy to same sex monogamy explain why polygamy is better than anything. Opposite sex monogamy has a mom and dad too? And her answer about how many parents the kids have make no sense when she is trying to remove a parent from three of her children's lives. Not to mention from a parent he adds to their lives when he marries a woman he sleeps with nightly. They didn't live plyg and no idea if he even will. I still say she should have married janelle or christine, left one of them as guardian of David did sign rights away. They would be in the family, no one had to lose anything and the new marriage would be on paper only.
ReplyDeleteI think there's more to the divorce then what we've seen. Meri wanted out of the legal marriage. Think she's over kody and robyn. She went to Disney again this weekend with Mariah while robyn and kody stayed home.
DeleteIs Kody listed as the father on Solomon's birth certificate? Is he listed as father on any child's other than Mariah? Will you need to be married to Kody for one year before he can even initiate adoption proceedings? Has your ex-husband agreed to terminate his parental rights? Even if he does, what makes you think a judge will approve adoption by Kody, who already has children outside of marriage with Janelle and Christine?
ReplyDeleteWhile watching the 'Tell All' clip of Meri signing divorce papers I saw how absolutely stricken Meri seemed. Prior to signing she told Kody she was dizzy and unwell. He showed zero concern and rushed for them to get to the lawyers office immediately, even suggesting they finish reading(?) the details later.
ReplyDeleteAt the office, Meri's hands were shaking so much at one point that she had to stop and press her pen again, all the while quietly crying.
I don't believe her tears were for the camera because I've never seen a Brown capable of subtle nuance, but she honestly seemed distraught. I felt (a few times) as though I was watching someone at a funeral.
There is no way I will ever believe this was Meri's idea. I will never believe it was a shock to Robyn or Kody. I will never forget the way Ribyn struggled not to smile or squirm as Meri looked like a piece of her was dying. I don't know if all of that was for Kody. I suspect a lot of the tears were for the life she never had and KNOWS in some part (at least) was stolen from her.
Side note: No Robyn, MOST women will never know how it feels to have their 'best friend' go through the pain of a divorce for them. Probably because MOST monogamous women would never stand for it, and their BEST FRIEND would never ask for it. We monogs really got the short end of the stick with our husbands all to ourselves, friends who love us for us (and not because they're banging our husband), and the lack of daily crying jags and unending maze or moral, sexual, social, and emotional ambiguity and abuse.
Beautifully stated, LaPetite Terror!
Delete"There is no way I will ever believe this was Meri's idea. I will never believe it was a shock to Robyn or Kody."
DeleteAgree !!
Not sure if that signing scene was a last minute recreation for the final cut of the show due to the news getting out, if indeed TLC had hoped to keep the actual divorce under wraps until next season and just throw out the teaser of Meri saying she was going to a lawyer.
Or the scene was authentic to the day it actually took place.
Either way, I question just who decided that the moment when Meri signed away her 22 years of marriage. she was to be wired with a mic and have a camera in her face..
Seriously doubt it was Meri, unless that would be her only way of documenting how very painful it was.
If Kody and his new wife to be didn't see that filming Meri's distress was the ultimate and *unnecessary* sacrifice to replacing her as they urged her on, then they are very cruel people. Not very good PR for them !
But, sigh...having said that, apparently once all of that drama was over, Meri herself seemed to carry the banner of how great and *normal* everything was in their world.
Hard to believe anything about any of them.
Nicely stated, LaPetite.
DeleteI agree that it was egregious neglect on Kody's part to not show or express more concern for Meri when they were getting ready to head out to the divorce lawyer. She practically stumbled at one point, and his attitude couldn't have seemed LESS concerned; like, 'let's hurry up before you change your mind'.
But then again, what is anyone expecting from Kody? He repeatedly shows little emotional concern for others. However, it's like "dude, the cameras are ON here, at least PRETEND"
A note to Robin: look, even as monogamists we have all seen our friends go through painful circumstances and we have been there for them, going through the tough times with them. It's not like women need to share a man to experience compassion.
Also, Robin's newfound ambassadorship for the family smacks of far too much 'I'm a relationship expert' bravado. Have a little humility, Robin, it's not like that first marriage worked out so well.
The other adult Browns may claim that Robin showed exceptional 'emotional maturity' when she was first introduced to the family, but we ALL know what the BEGINNINGS of relationships are like--it is easy to pretend, gloss over, and put one's absolute best foot forward for awhile. You need to know someone for AWHILE to really get to know them--it does all come out in the wash eventually.
I just watched season 4 of Boardwalk Empire. Nucky, having been annoyed at Narcisse for awhile but never saying so, finally walks up to him and says "There's something I've been meaning to ask you for awhile now. Just WHO the HELL do you think you ARE?!". That's how I've been reacting to the Robin show.
I would like to know how she would feel if her ex remained and his wife was trying to adopt her children. I would like to know how she would feel if her husband had primary custody of the kids and brought them into an illegal lifestyle, then relocated another 6 hours away, how she would feel that not only were her children involved but taken so far away. I would still like to know how all their boys can live polygamy based on the birth gender of the US. We don't birth 20 males to 80 females. Her children ststistically won't be living this. If she had four boys at least would be without any spouse. Some girls won't chose it. There are not enough women for this without hurting another's chance at happiness. Most the US has a religion requiring them to be fruitful and multiply. The math does not add up for this. Did you read how the examples of polygamy turned out in the bible? Did you read that most were forced or formed by deception? Why are you pretending your own father stopped existing? Does she realize you don't have a chose parents in divorce?
ReplyDeleteGoogle lost boys Mormon fundamentalism. There is a wiki page. It's definitely not rose colored what happens to the surplus young men
DeleteThis group doesn't do that. But it still leaves men without wives in adulthood if they wish to remain in the religion. One that can't really practice. Or even appreciate cause they are being short changed.
DeleteI don't know what this group does specifically. I'm sure some have been treated poorly. But even leaving them without the chance to marry in the religion is driving them out essentially, isn't it?
DeleteYes. That is my point. Just didn't want to accuse them of something else more sinister.
DeleteHi long time lurker but I finally have a question.
ReplyDeleteI've seen many references here and on the old forum about Robyn being mean to Hunter the night she had King Sol. I remember watching the episode but can't remember the details. Could anyone point me to a video or even just a recap of what she said. Hunter has always been my fav of the kids.
Hi Anon 9:43AM!!
DeleteHere ya go...it's towards the end of the review, picture of Robyn sitting in a chair holding King Sol. Hope this helps!
Season Finale: Sister's Special Delivery PART TWO
Wow, I'd forgotten what she said about Hunter. I remember he was not happy and how Kody shut him down with "I'll have all the children I want" [cause I get bored with the new ones quickly].I remember when they did the backyard movie of how our family came to be and Robyn having to bring up Hunter's initial reaction and how he now loved Sol. For someone who is always bragging about how good she is at relationships, she betrays that the relationship that matters is how people treat HER. Remember how hard Hunter took the move? How he dropped sports? That was a hurting teenager that needed some adult empathy and understanding. What he got was - sees I had a baby with your father, deal with it. That Hunter worked thru that and accepted his new half brother is another sign that the Brown children are often more mature than their parents.
DeleteOh and on her last tweet above. They were all going to be so accepting of their theoretical gay child. Once said child married and started a family, would she have to point out that that grandbaby would be getting the short end of the stick as there would be 2 mommies and no daddy or two daddys and no mommy? Robyn can't STHU because the world refuses to buy her view of herself. That must be what she spends insane hours working at.
And Emma, it only took Robyn about 3 years to usurp Meri's legal status as Mrs. Kody Brown and make it her own. She hasn't changed much has she? Still all about HER...I expect her to start using the Royal "We" soon. She's already started using the "Our".
DeleteDoes Robyn have the Royal King and Queen chairs still?
DeleteRoyal King and Queen chairs & Kody's Burger King Crown lol
DeleteWas it hunter or Logan that was really close to truely?
Deletehttp://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/sister-wives/videos/robyns-house-tour/
DeleteHere are the chairs
Kms it was Hunter. I remember him going over to Christine's to see Truely in an episode.
DeleteNot a kid who shuns little sibs from his "aunties", father's other women. Not a big brother with an aversion to babies either.
DeleteI watched the OWN "Where Are They Now?" segment on the Browns. It was mostly clips from their 2010 appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show and scenes from the earliest seasons of their TLC series, including the snippet of having to flee Utah, and one of Hunter in Las Vegas, telling a camera how all his friends think having 4 mothers is so cool. Otherwise, Kody dominated the camera time and answers.
ReplyDeleteMeri said that MSWC is really successful and has grown every year for the past 3 years, while the other four Browns were positioned around a desktop computer in a home office. Kody also said that MSWC was Robyn's idea, because she wanted to be a jewelry designer. He continued that people always wonder how they earn enough income to support such a large family, implying that MSWC (not TLC) is how.
The segment ended with Kody, in the cul de sac, saying that they went on air so that other plural families could own their own truths, just like the Browns did. (That's Oprah language.) The screen faded to black for a typed postscript that Meri and Kody divorced so that Kody could marry Robyn and adopt her children.
It had to be the least interesting and most staged segment of the episode, and it was essentially a rehash of tired scenes. But, they'll continue to lie wherever someone will host them, because if they tell their lies frequently enough, people will believe them.
It also only showed one house from the outside and all of the family eating together--totally giving the impression that they all live together in one house and have done so ever since they moved to LV.
DeleteWish the Browns would incorporate some truth telling into their mission of "owning their own truth"! It's amazing they haven't realized their show does nothing but highlight the many problems related to polygamy. They haven't taught us much about the perks of a plyg lifestyle, but we're sure getting a good look at what happens when you take 5 immature adults and turn them into F-list "reality tv" celebrities!
DeleteThese people do everything with the label of "righteous" attached. Every move for public consumption is choreographed for self serving feel sorry for them, its all to make them look like their motives are pure. But every once in a while they show their ass. Robyn's comments on gay parents was appalling. All of them, especially Kody drone on about being stereotyped as plygs, when in fact, they are the worsts offenders of stereotyping people.
ReplyDeleteThe LDS church is not accepting of homosexuals. They can attend, but they cannot join and being gay is considered a huge sin. Fundamentalists are just that--even stricter.
DeleteYou can just imagine the AUBs real stance on homosexuality. The Browns are saying they accept homosexuality but that is just propaganda to try and advance their own "mission".
I don't think they accept it. They just want their pairing or grouping up to become as accepting as that pairing up. And they accept that their kids might be.
DeleteYou can't seal in the temple. You are encouraged to find an opposite sex marriage partner anyway or stay single.
Hey, there's another twitter rant from Robyn (facebook living room) in which she responds to one of the twitters comments about the look in Janelle and Christine's face....Robyn responds by saying something to the tune of it doesn't help having the cameras in our face..... Wow...TLC is really not reeling her in at all.
ReplyDelete...so, is Robyn saying the looks on faces of Janelle and Christine would have been different had no cameras been present? That doesn't make any sense, of course, as the news would have been the same.
DeleteOh Robyn, you poor thing! And whose cruel idea was it to stick a camera in your widdle face? Well, they've certainly accomplished their mission this season. Everyone is talking about them, and whether it's positive or negative it's all going to keep this crap on the air. Get used to the big bad camera, sweetie.
DeleteMrSpock, I think she is trying to imply that the cameras in their faces make everything much more difficult to take...likely story. It almost came across as if she were complaining about all the cameras all the time.
DeleteWithout the cameras, the looks on their faces would have shown abject horror. What we saw was toned down!
DeleteMrSpock knew what Robyn meant...just pointing out how illogical it was...MrSpocks likes logic.
DeleteWasn't it just a year ago that Janelle was saying MSWC was a hobby business and wasn't making any money? Or am I mistaken? On the OWN interview, they acted like MSWC is so successful. How did that happen in such a short time?
ReplyDeleteI am willing to be the farm the MSWC is a hobby business that has cost them money. If anything it is a tax write off, but there is only so many years they can use it as a tax write off.
DeleteHey CJ, how do I find the living room on FB? I found you (Cynical Jinx) but I don't know if this is the living room I read about on here. Thanks!
ReplyDeletePlease read the 2/25/15 update in red...Thanks!
DeleteUPDATE Welcome to My Living Room
Love the arch in the photo of your living room. And I'm not angling for an invite; I just like arches.
DeleteThanks for the picture of Robyn and her ugly King and Queen Thrones!!
ReplyDeleteI couldn't resist that picture! That arm! That faux crown above the chairs! It just spoke to me.
DeleteWatching the OWN clip and hearing about the "success" of the Closet was interesting to say the least.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt there are several versions of media packages that get sent to shows interested in having them on, depending on what angle the Browns want to display as featured guests.
Obviously the script which they are to follow for their own TV show is to be one of struggle and deprivation. SUCH con artists !!
Are we still going to get recaps of the finale and tell-nothing?
ReplyDeleteI'm working on it right now...keep fingers crossed internet service won't go down again!
DeleteI' m kinda surprised Robyn speaks the way she does about her ex sometimes. Afterall, doesn't she gave family that still lives in Montana?! Isn't he from a super important family in their faith? Doesn't she fear that her family members while suffer because of it in some way? After the way they are all related to each other , that would seem kind of impossible to hide what she is doing.
ReplyDeleteGotta wonder what happened to her bio-dad. It would seem that her step- dad adopted her and a few of her siblings. Did her mom do the same thing she is doing?
I bet the answer to what happened with Robyn's bio dad would answer a lot of questions about why she acts the way she does. She is someone who could benefit from lots of counseling.
DeleteOkay, my $2.50 take on the Robyn Tweeterthone. I think, Robyn, in her very simple mind, thought that once she became Mrs. Kody Brown for real...the legal wife, others would see her as a more legitimate wife and certainly a more authoritarian worthy of respect. Sadly, I don't think she had the same vision that Meri had about how the viewers and others would take this restructuring. I am sure, Meri knew damn well how it was going to look, hence the smirks. But poor simple minded and emotionally controlled Robyn thought, I am sure, that she was finally going to be accepted and the public would like her...and since they were thrown the emotional appeal of Kodster adopting her children from another daddy, a daddy she claims was both abusive and neglectful, she was sure that everyone was going to think and say, you poor, poor woman...how have you suffered for so long and you were so misunderstood...take your crown and sit next to your king and let those other wives bow down to you and kiss your cankles.
ReplyDeleteWhen most folks hated her more, if you can believe that, she began her own campaign to convince the haters that she is worthy of their love and support. Poor, poor Robyn has no idea how arguments are constructed or how they are made and she certainly doesn't know the difference between a claim and a truth. The other wives, I am sure, are sitting back rocking and laughing and maybe whispering to each other and whispering to the older children about how freakin' stupid and pyschotic she is. Christine's PMS, Janellle's over eating, and Meri's all of the above don't look so crazy next to the queen of the cray cray, Robyn.
AUB question:
ReplyDeleteI know they have communities/churches in Utah, Montana, and perhsps Wyoming. Anywhere else? I mean the AUB specificly.
There is a compound in Custer County, South Dakota. There is currently a water dispute going on because of the amount of water they want to draw would support way more people then they claim live there.
DeleteSpeaking of Twitter meltdowns, Meri has been back at posting the passive aggressive messages again. One about the best people suffering the most, the other about premonitions coming true. Wonder what sort of slights are going on in the cuddlesac these days?
ReplyDeleteI know this is off topic of Robyn's tweets, but yesterday, there was a story posted on one of the gossip rags about Jana Duggar convincing her parents to allow her to move off and attend a christian college. If this is true, it looks like the oldest Duggar girl is the one most fed up and the one who will probably be the clog in their wheel of overpopulating the world with little Duggar spawns. I don't know if you guys remember, but the one of the Duggar houses is near me and drive by it every day and have seen them come and go. I also run into the Duggar girls out and about shopping at Sam's foods. I have also seen and spoken to the Duggar parents and they are nice enough folks and in the past I have said live and let live but lately, they have used their celebrity and their good old family values to change the votes for equality in our town...a town that is one of the most liberal in AR. Anyway, I am anxiously awaiting the stories that will follow the will she or won't she be the one to break away.
ReplyDeleteRunkodyrun this is exactly what the quiverful movement is about like so many other breeder programmes. They want to outvote by being the majority. I remember years back seeing an anti-abortion T-shirt on one of the kids saying they were going to create more votes against abortion. The crazies are breeding faster than the rest of us and Utah is an example of how a cult breeds in huge numbers then their offspring do likewise and in a few generations we have an explosion of population of polygamists with voting power.
DeleteAnd if we get enough of them, it won't matter because the whole planet will die.
DeleteOne of her little brothers is at a christian college near the bates. Turns out he isn't there to get a degree. Not that it has a degree program that would lead to a job. He is there for bible study classes and be close to a bates girl. The school the brother is at wants to know IF you have a GED, high school transcripts if you went to a high school or information on you if you home schooled. I'm sure they would take a student who is 25 and maybe took a CLEP class online. I don't understand why there needs to be an article about them every day. Gosh, her mother touched her pregnancy belly, my gosh she folded laundry and tweeted her husband!
DeleteThis is not the only culture that advocates "breed to rule" for example this is a popular line of thinking in Palestine, 60 minutes reported on in many years ago. Is it ironic that "breed to rule" seems to be practiced by the same types of cultures that wish to keep women down? Keep fighting the good fight runKodyrun.
DeleteIf Jana gets to go to college, she will end up going to Crown in Tn, and living with the Bates. NO way she would get to live in a dorm or apartment like her brother Joseph.
DeleteMeri tweeted today that her brother died. Don't know which one...wonder if it was Janelle's ex?
ReplyDeleteCPACarol, I believe Janelle's ex was Adam and Meri said the one that passed was Marc. HTH!
DeleteI know this is off topic. Im curious to how they would respond to one or more of their children coming home with a black person they are dating. Im sure Christine would die. I find it interesting this question has never been asked by anyone on the show. At least I dont think so.
ReplyDelete@CPA Carol; It was her brother Marc Barber that passed away. Janelle was married to Meri's brother Adam Barber. Marc had actually posted comments several years ago on the old SWB with regards to the death of their sister of colon cancer. He posted in a thread about being tested for colon cancer.
ReplyDeleteWhenever I look at that last picture of Robyn (the one with the TLC watermark over it)...the expression on her face sends a shiver down my spine. I am not even kidding, she looks terrifying in that photo. Imagine looking in a mirror and seeing that face appear behind you. Holy crap, now I'm going to have nightmares....
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to hear that Meri lost a brother. I cannot imagine that she is not hours away from a complete nervous breakdown. I watched the Oprah bit (all 5 minutes of it), and I was quite shocked to see how thin Meri was when this show began, and how much weight she has gained since. Her misery radiates through the television screen now.
So congrats, Queen Robyn - looks like you not only won your man (barf), but you broke your self-professed "best friend" in the process. Brava!!
Looks like Nonie had her baby girl. That's a chunky baby!
ReplyDeleteI know all five wives are cousins. Are they all first cousins?
Someone in facebook states that they know David, Robyn's ex. They stated that Ribyn had put them in deep debt 2 times before and the church/family bailed them out. That this time around they didn't and she had to take the debt in the divorce.
And with all that debt, she never bought her babies a baby crib, SMH
DeleteI am so fascinated by her statements that she never had a crib. All the attention focused on putting the nursery together for Sol - and then she apparently has a family bed and doesn't use the crib. That really confounds me! She makes statements about getting the kids to bed early on Kody's night with her but yet Kody has made several comments he resents Sol sharing their bed. She is quite the contradiction.
DeleteTo be fair, maybe she was putting the kids to bed like that early on in the marriage. However, that proved hard to maintain.
DeleteThe crib thing is so fake drama. I didn't even have a crib! Was that because she didn't want one, she didn't have the space perhaps. Lots of people don't have cribs. Then turns out she co-sleeps anyway.
DeleteFrom the way Kody talked it was robyn who wanted Sol in the bed.
DeleteWasn't Sols room the one room she did in her house where they all had enough money to do a room when they moved? I think it was just pushing the baby news. No one cosleeps with three and then decides to sleep separately. It would be safest for Sol to be Ina crib in their room and not IN the bed. Yes other nations cosleep but they do so with mats on the floor/floor heating too. Less bedding, no chance of falling. When they do it it's safer than when we copy the practice.
Not surprising that someone has surfaced on FB who knows Sobbin's Ex.
ReplyDeleteWhat is surprising is that it hasn't happened before this. Surely there are people out there who know or knew them.
It is also weird that Sobbin herself shows no concern that there may be people who can refute her stories, if her accounts are false and/or embellished. But then, all of the Browns seem not to care if their fictional versions of many things collide with documented facts.
That behavior requires a special level of arrogance.
Also, if you read between the lines on the tumbler site, Robyn's step-dad was raised Mormon and converted to AUB later in life along with his first wife. In that culture, converts weren't very likely to marry a family like the Jessops. So marrying a Jessop was a big deal. That a Sullivan married a Jessop was a big deal. He married her because she was pregnant. Wouldn't surprise me if she pursued him. Wouldn't surprise me if she got pregnant on purpose. She then proceeded to spend money like nobodies business. The family and church bailed them out twice.
ReplyDeleteThings weren't like she imagined and she then probably pursued Kody. He had a TV show that was going to make her a star.
Since I am out on Spring Break, I took some time.to review a bunch of the posts here and.on CJ's facebook page. Most of us write about the inconsistencies, disingenuousness, and lack of self-awareness we see in the Browns. I agree that these phenomena are easily spotted in their on-camera antics, but I think they are symptomatic of a deeper issue.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, the Browns lack authenticity. Given the deeply flawed culture from which they come, that's not surprising; survival in their native habilitat means suppressing even the most benign emotions. Since they can't even be honest with themselves, they are unable to communicate candidly as the adult heads of their family. Honesty with "outlanders" is impossible; in fact, it's downright dangerous. Asking Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine, or Robyn to be open about their motivations is like asking a fish to ride a bicycle. No matter how hard the fish might try to pedal that bike, he lacks both the physiological and cognitive abilities to do so. Likewise, the Browns are unable to tell the difference between their truth and their mythology.
Interesting 2nd paragraph, got2b. "survival in their native habitat means suppressing even the most benign emotions"...and unexpressed emotions have a way of being physically expressed in the body as dis-ease.
DeleteThe colon represents a releasing point for old thoughts and hidden ideas; resentments can 'build up' and express as cancer. I hope Meri is honest with herself or SOMEONE at least, for her own sake. Sorry for her loss.
No, "resentments" don't "build up" and turn into cancer. If that was the case, we would have cured cancer by now.
Deletegot2bdrc,
ReplyDeleteyou are so right about the idea of what is the truth of their lives and what is their hopes based on their beliefs. They, like so many other polygamous, believe that it works; they believe that women can share a man, keep that man happy, support each other, support each others' children, be sisters in every sense of the word. But, they cannot separate their belief that they are told it works if they are good enough and if they keep growing from it isn't working because they are in some strange way flawed...they cannot make it work because they are not good enough. Instead of admitting to their flaws, the fight with their ideologies held so close that their ideologies are their reality...we support each other. When Christine said in one of the couch interviews that they don't help with each others children, the other wives had this very uncomfortable look on their faces and were unable to discuss with her why so they went back to a lie...we all work at the same time...lie...they do a reality show and they don't film all the time; they don't have jobs; they doodle on paper and once every few days, they ship a few crappy pieces of jooolry to losers who think they are becoming close to "stars." Mary made the statement about how big Sol is getting as if she hadn't seen him in months; the truth, she hadn't seen him in months, probably. But, to stay grounded in their ideologies, no matter how harmful they are, she plays the doting other mother. They remind me, in some ways, of abused children...they don't want the public to know; they don't want to anger their abusers; they don't want to think they are not loved. They are truly sad.
They still themselves as God's getting into the better heaven level. The blessings come later. They don't need to show them now to please themselves.
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