It's that time of the week again, and I just know all of you are stoked about another fun-filled evening of Sister Wives tonight!
Right??
Well, before we get down to partying, I noticed something in the Brown's live tweets that kind of got me wondering.
Kody actually tweeted some interesting observations last Sunday.
This first one had me rolling on the floor, laughing my fat you know what off. I supposed I could have just typed ROTFLMFAO but typing it out was way more fun.
Oh my gosh, Kody is right on this one. One moment while I check the weather report for Hell, 'cause I think it just froze over...
Let's put this into perspective. Meri and her new "friend" of a male "friend" were on a day trip when she had an OMG moment. Whenever this "friend" was on her phone, Meri got a text from her male "friend". Every. Single. Time.
And when Meri confronted this "friend", the situation quickly went south. Meri decided to pull into a rest area, to clear her head I guess.
I gotta agree with Kody on this. Although it would have been difficult to get the "friend" out of her car, Meri could have driven into the rest area (with people present hopefully and a Highway Patrol officer too), exited her car and started screaming her bloody head off. So for once, Kody was right. Worse case scenario, the "friend" would drive away with Meri's car. But cars can be replaced. Know what I mean?
The next observation was this tweet when Meri and Kody were with Nancy, the marriage counselor:
Even though Kody is not claiming HE was the direct cause of his dismal marital situation with Meri, isn't it amazing how he points his short stubby finger at plural marriage being the culprit? I mean, he could have said something like "Having 4 wives, I completely neglected Meri and her needs." Nope, "they" were asleep.
Now call me cynical, but I have a feeling at least ONE of the other sister wives was wide awake and had a clue what was going on. You know, the one that mentioned on her now defunct personal "like me" FB page that Meri's new male friend would never appear on their show.
The only person who was asleep was Kody. And Kody should understand that if that new male "friend" of Meri's had been legit, the former Mrs Kody Brown would have been Out. Of. There.
I'm thinking Kody needs to change his introduction from "Love should be multiplied, not divided" to something more realistic, like "Love can not be multiplied nor divided equally between 4 wives because it would violate the fundamental laws of associative, distributive and commutative properties in algebra."
What are your thoughts?
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""Love can not be multiplied nor divided equally between 4 wives because it would violate the fundamental laws of associative, distributive and commutative properties in algebra."
ReplyDeleteHa !!! Yep !!
Because one man divided into fourths isn't much of a man at all.
And four women sharing one man never can know or experience the whole man.
And you know Kody isn't dividing his time or love equally!!
DeleteI hope the only thing the Browns say to Mariah is "Honey, we love you no matter what. Live your truth and never apologize for who you are. You are a gift to all who know you and a blessing to this family".
ReplyDeleteCJ - with regards to highlighting Kody's comment that Meri should have left the catfish at the rest stop--I also howled at that and thought it was the most intelligent/funny/creatively poking fun at the situation thing he's said yet) anyway,,,,,I thought the established narrative for the Disney trip was that Mariah was along and Meri was not alone with the Catfish?! I remember all of us firmly wondering what was wrong with Meri to potentially endanger her child by exposing her to an extended day trip with the catfish. So which is it? Meri was alone with the catfish or Mariah was along? I think the story changed because of Meri's creative retelling!!
ReplyDeleteI think Mariah would have the good sense to say thanks but no thanks to that invitation. Anyway I do remember a tweet from Meri saying Mariah decided she needed to study, turning down a trip to Disneyland. Smart girl!
DeleteThat picture of kody should say " I am not pooping, just thinking real hard"
ReplyDeleteThat is definetly a poop face!!! their last name is rather fitting.
DeleteAnother THREE hour epp???!!!
ReplyDeleteIs TLC experimenting with aversion therapy on the audience.????
So far this season it has been either two hours or three hours.
Is TLC simply "out of show" to have to resort to 3 hours of the Idiot AGAIN?
I don't know but two hours is way too brownage for one sitting. I wonder if the TLC train will be leaving the station for another season? Maybe TLC is getting their money's worth by unloading all the shows so they can premiere a brand new show in the SW Sunday timeslot.
DeleteOops my bad. I meant to type way too much brownage.
DeleteWow, just wow........
ReplyDeleteSO far, Sobbin is the heroine in Mariah;s eyes......Sobbin is the one who made Mariah feel okay about saying she was gay.
What a knife in Meri's back and heart.
Robyn, Janelle and Christine are thrilled because its not one of their kids
DeleteNot yet anyways!! It's possible one of their kids could be gay too. In time, they'll eventually find out.
DeleteI've thought about that. They'd better not be too cocky if that's true. Their army is big enough that Mariah may not be alone, statistically speaking.
DeleteI'm beginning to think that was the point! It's all to get back at Meri!
DeleteYes, but this is Meri's only child who is gay. The sisterwives have other children who will be straight and they can have that traditional "son in law/daughter in law/grandchildren" experience with that Meri wants so badly. They are over the moon and super accepting because they aren't in her shoes. Schadenfreude to the extreme.
Delete"Schadenfreude to the extreme."
DeleteAbsolutely !!!!
And given the recent scenes allotted to the Meri and Janelle's decades old cold war, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine Jangle/Janelle was more than happy to actually emote *in what was totally out of character for her*... animated support for Mariah...as Meri just had to watch !!
Too bad Janelle couldn't muster up a similar positive, encouraging, high 5 in her toast for HER daughter, Maddie at her reception !???!!!
Thank you Amused, YES!
DeleteAnd Sobbin is all into her signature furrowed brow, downcast eyes and screwed up uber-chin as she chokes on her tears of joy.
ReplyDeleteLol! Yes goody gum drops for Robin . She gets a chance to revamp her image.
DeleteHad to love when Mariah said to the parental unit " If I'd have stayed in Utah, I probably would have married some guy with four other wives and pretended I was happy for the rest of my life". Yowza!
ReplyDeleteI didn't see the clip, but this quote makes me think that Mariah, an adult, sees the heartache of polygamy and still treats her mother like crap for considering leaving. It is a wonder how any of these women haven't had a full scale break down yet.
DeleteJanelle has food. Robyn has Kody, Christine has her meds. The Catfish was Meri's break down.
DeleteI watched or at least skimmed every episode until the last two. 3 hours at once is overloading my DVR (filled with other "awesome" shows of course). I think I am officially done (well except for reading along on here).
ReplyDeleteWell what do ya know.......
ReplyDeleteSobbin has now replaced Nancy as the inhouse therapist.
Hmmm.....wonder if she gets doubles $$$ for the extra role?
Sobbin just shut up.......we all thought (had hoped) you had been moth-balled for this season !!
Meri is expressing normal "initial" reaction.
But WHY has the scripting called for SOBBIN of all the wives to be velcroed to these scenes?? She has only known Mariah for less than half the time Christine and yes, even Janells have.
This is so bogus.....putting Sobbin center stage in this storyline is just nauseating.
Totally agree Amused. What bugs the crap out of me is how Meri has devolved over the course of this series. In the beginning Meri was the alpha female. She picked all the wives for Kody (such a whopper), organized all the activities and functions in Brownworld, and was the closest person to Kody (Lovah!!). Meri has deteriorated to the point where presently she can't understand anything Kody is saying to her. She actually seems mentally challenged sometimes. And she likes to have Robyn present to explain "stuff" to her. Meri was the wife who couldn't help Robyn with MSWC, a few seasons ago, because she was going back to college. I'm not buying it. This show is a complete sham. Off topic, for someone who called Meri out on camera about her eyebrows, Mariah was sporting a pretty whack set in the sit down scene with Meri.
DeleteHer eyebrows like a bit like Groucho Marx.
DeleteOr Cookie Monster!
Looks like Mariah permanently colored her eyebrows with that Walmart one tone box hair color they all love to use, "how ghetto".
DeleteAnd Meri's eyebrows have been shaved, drawn up too high above the brow bone and way down around her eye socket. It's almost a complete circle around her eye. Both ridiculous.
" She actually seems mentally challenged sometimes."
DeleteBatSh*tYes!.....very true!!
Seriously, at times, that IS how Meri comes off, both in speaking and comprehending.
More how ghetto? Mariah doesn't look ghetto. She looks butch. And heck, if that's how she's most comfortable and confident and it's working for her in her new path, good for her. She pulls it off well.
DeleteMethinks one doesn't know what being "ghetto" entails. Ghetto how? Just no.
DeleteMariah probably has just started filling in her brows. It's a process that takes time and practice to get down pat, especially for camera.
Wow, I've never felt sorry for Meri and Kody before but Mariah dropping that on them on national TV was not kind. She should've told them privately and let them process it. They looked shell shocked.
ReplyDeleteI commend Mariah for revealing her truth to Cody & the wives that was supportive & well recei ed. I have an issue with the way Meri is reacting, which is not being truthful about what she's really feeling about Mariah being gay. In my opinion, Meri is hurt and feels guilty that Mariah never revealed her sexual preference to her & I believe the reason she never did is because Meri can be very self absorbed & makes everything about her, which doesn't leave a lot of room for Mariah to open up to her (I've had a similiar experience like this with my daughter and when I realized what I was doing, it was very painful to admit and accept that the problem was me) Meri needs to take Robin's advice & give Mariah some time. And my advice to Meri would be to starr being honest with herself about what's really bothering her & eventually be honest with Mariah & then they may be able to heal what's wrong with their relationship
DeleteI'm afraid this is just a ratings grab! The Browns have hinted on several episodes that they'd accept someone gay ... and now like magic here's proof that they're the most awesome and accepting family on the planet !
DeleteYes, Piper7! That's exactly what I was thinking!
DeleteI find it hard to have sympathy for either of them. The Brown adults have been phony from the jump. The Utah law enforcement fake-out and the ensuing damage it had on the family (let's not forget how they dropped THAT bomb on their children), Sobbin and Krody's 'courtship', the funky loans, any of their failed business schemes or idiotic celebrations...the list is endless. Not exactly the behavior of people who value privacy. I do believe they value ratings, and the oldest children have caught on and know how to play the game.
DeleteKody and "Chin" are absolutely playing the script tonight like a monogamous couple...as if they are counseling a neighbor or friend/relative.
ReplyDeleteKody HAD to have a hand in making sure these scenes with Meri about Mariah's news taking place with Sobbin at his side and as his mouthpiece.
And here we go with another road trip......such fun.
Holy crap, Meri needs her husband to hold her and comfort her and reassure her and instead Robyn is sitting between them. This is heartbreaking. Polygamy sucks
DeleteRobyn probably insists now that she's the legal wife that she has to be there for all family conversations between the wives. When Meri said she invited Robyn to sit in on the discussion because she is level headed, Meri could barely even choke out the words. Her body language was telling me that she had no choice but to invite the hbic!
DeleteI have sympathy for Meri....but she is a terrible communicator.
ReplyDeleteAnd maybe if the camera wasn't there as she attempts to talk "alone" (yeah right,with a cameraman 2 feet away) she could be less bumbling and more "real"...it's really hard to watch how awkward she is.
Mariah's coming out has turned into another storyline of Meri as a victim. Meri didn't know her daughter; Meri won't fulfill her dream of planning Mariah's wedding. Meri will never have the son she always wanted, because Mariah won't be marrying a man. Of course, the catfish is to blame... Meri's victimhood is as much introspection as Meri achieves, and it is only because being a victim is all-consuming for Meri. It's obnoxious.
ReplyDeleteI feel very distrustful of Mariah (mainly because of how she handled Meri's catfish affair). In all honesty, I think she knows she gets paid more for things like this and lords over Meri's inability/difficulty to understand the changes in Mariah's life (after being being forced to react on camera towards it) and warps it to make it seem as if Meri is totally out of bounds for feeling shaken. In my opinion, Meri wants to understand but does not have the background to get it immediately. I think it makes sense for her to have to come to terms with the expectations she had for her daughter needing to be altered."i'm not gonna spell it out for her, she can figure it out". Mariah is aware of the limitations that the church they were involved in had with the gay community but refuses to acknowledge that it could even possibly have the same affect on Meri. I mean, these are the women who claimed to have no idea how to throw a monogamous wedding, I doubt they're familiar with a lesbian one! At this point, I think Mariah is milking the money (note, I'm not tying to imply she's faking her sexuality by any means! Just being unnecessarily difficult and downright demeaning towards her mother). I hope that things get better for them offscreen and that both women are happy.
ReplyDeleteOh my...it's soooo awkward watching Meri try to talk with Mariah. The control freak in her is going nuts but she's trying hard to conceal it. The struggle is all over her face.
ReplyDeleteAnd now Sobbin is back as the girlfriend/confidante telling Meri what to do and expect from Mariah moving forward.
ReplyDeleteSobbin sure has ingratiated herself into EVERY area of Meri's life.
And obviously very good at making Meri believe that she belongs in Meri's life.
A regular font of wisdom...that's our gal Sobbin.
A true sociopath...that Robyn....
DeleteMeri said Robyn was level headed. Really the word calculating came to mind. Alright ,I admit I thought the hate on for Robyn was just because she was new.I was dead wrong. I saw her holding her chin and posing and saw her real face. Then she has a wedding with her son when Meri's child shuns her? Who marries their son? No one besides me thinks that is what did Meri say-WEIRD.
DeleteI agree completely Monogamous Apostate and always have.
DeleteWhat I found really interesting was that Robyn said that Kody complains about Meri to her and Meri complains about Kody. How many times have we heard about how they don't discuss each others marriages with each other. For God's sake, they can't even say "I love you" within earshot of each other and now Robyn admits that she is both Meri and Kody's confidant? I wish they would get their stories straight. Plus it's revolting that she has to be there for every Meri - Kody conversation now.
DeleteIt's very clear that Robyn is now officially the HBIC. Everything goes through her.
ReplyDeleteMariah should stay out of her mother's business and quit acting like a spoiled, 2 year old. She is SO disrespectful to Meri and thinks she can condemn her mother for something Meri did? How dare Mariah talk to her mother the way she does and then shut her down any time her mother tries to talk to her, always saying Meri broke her trust when she was "catfished". Who does she think she is? Why dies Mariah think she has any right to judge her mother? Shame on her!!
ReplyDeleteAt the ripe old age of 21, Mariah announces she is gay, but she can't tell her mother how she came to that conclusion and turns it back around on Meri, saying she is "pushing her".
It sounds like Mariah has enough of her own troubles and should quit thinking she has any right to treat her mother the way she does. I feel terrible for Meri, especially since this is her only child. She is so judgemental yet she expects everyone to support her. Grow up Mariah and appreciate that your mother has supported you even when you behave horribly, yet you chastise her every opportunity that you get.
Mariah, you are so judgemental, even when it isn't any of your business, then you expect that no one in your family should judge you being gay? GROW UP AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!
Meri needs to cut off the money. Don't pay for her car or sign for her tuition. Mariah has always received more family resources than all the other kids because of how the money is divided. It's time for her to be on her own. You can't bite the hand that feeds you.
DeleteI agree. I have to remind myself this is a cult, so the usual code of conduct is if you screw up, you come back groveling with sack cloth and ashes. And it will take a lot of self-flaggellation on Meri's part and maybe Mariah will forgive her "on her terms." Disgusting. Mariah is just modeling her family's conduct. The Kody/Robyn sit down with Meri was so condescending and detached from true geniune care, I really felt sorry for Meri. Yes, Meri can be clown too. But Meri was born and raised in this abusive cult. This is what they know, and now her daughter has learned the tricks to hold power over someone's heart. Sadly it is her own mother. The cycle repeats itself. So incredibly sad.
DeleteI thought the same thing. Your mom HAS to accept you and your lifestyle but you get to judge and punish your mom. Hypocritical much, Mariah?
DeleteI wish Meri would give Mariah exactly what she wants--space. Meri should put her attention and affection on the girls in the family she is close to. Mariah is such a self-centeted spoiled brat she'd throw a fit.
Can't tell her how she came to the conclusion she is gay? Really do they expect a thoughtful answer form the other kids on how they came to the conclusion they are heterosexual? She doesn't have to like it or understand it. But her kid is an adult and doesn't have to explain it to her mom.
DeleteAnonymous @ 6:35, I felt the same way about Meri and Meriah as you do - until this episode. I think I now see where Meriah is coming from and why she has such a hard time with Meri. I think there's more behind how Meriah feels than just Meri not being honest about the catfishing. I think Meri used Mariah or confided in her a lot more then they've shown, but that Meri has lied about it and that's why it's not so easy for Mariah to simply forgive and move on. I think Meriah knows a lot more about what went on than she or Meri have said.
DeleteI could feel the pressure that Mariah was feeling when Meri was pushing Mariah to talk about their relationship each time they talked. OMG, Meri, listen to the people giving you advice and let Mariah open up when she feels comfortable and safe enough to do so, not when Meri needs it. And, not on camera for goodness sake!
And, Meri's constant giggling during conversations? OMG, how off-putting. I know it's most likely her nerves, but come on, I'd think she'd have learned to control it so she doesn't put off so many people like she does. SMH But no. I know she was raised in this religion and what she's learned from so many years of unhealthy interpersonal relationships is affecting her dealing with Mariah, but get a clue Meri. Meri is woefully unhappy and from what she's said, it seems she's been depressed for years (and I don't blame her!) but I'm now finding myself with very little sympathy for her. If she ever wants to be happy, she needs to be honest with herself and start seeing a new therapist who will not cater to or pussyfoot around her, but will be honest with her and help her be honest with herself.
As much as I've found fault with Robyn in the past I found the advice she gave Meri this episode to be good and something Meri needed to hear. Meriah will open up when she's ready and when she feels she's not being pushed and feels safe. It will happen on Meriah's time, not Meri's and not because Meri wants or needs it, but because Meriah feels she is able and ready to give it. Meri's constant victim mentality must feel so oppressive and weighty for Meriah to always have to deal with especially when she's dealing with something so weighty herself.
I don't blame Meriah at all for feeling like she can't shoulder Meri's emotions while she's dealing with what she's going on herself. Meri needs to be the parent in this relationship rather than being a needy equal to Meriah.
I'm sorry for my rambling thoughts, but I'm just "over it" where Meri's boo-hooing is concerned. I'm on team Meriah where their relationship is concerned.
Yes Anon 12:55, after watching their conversation for myself I came to the conclusion that there is something else in their past relationship besides just the catfish affair etc. Meri is emotionally stunted and Mariah is maturing past her mothers level. And I think that Meri is just skeeved at the mental image of her daughter being gay. She is very uncomfortable and she just can't get away from her feelings and bringing every little thing back to her. I really don't know what to think about Meri's insistence about wanting to hear every thought and feeling that Mariah had during her life "realizing and discovering herself". It reminds me of two 13 year old girls discussing every word, every movement of a situation with great drama. It's time to grow up Meri. Mariah did.
DeleteI also think Meri is pissed that SHE should have known all along because she thought her and Mariah were besties. Once kids hit the teen years they don't spill everything with their parents, no matter how close they are. Meri can't seem to separate the fact that she thought her and Mariah were best friends and the level of tell all about all. The statement "I thought I knew my daughter!!" speaks volumes about what Meri THINKS their relationship is vs. what it really is.
Guys, did you read that whole Catfish blog? I skimmed it but all those pictures of Meri (she was glowing, all those sexual pics and all the pathetic voice mails)? Keep those in mind. There is no doubt in my mind that Mariah saw all that. Since she obviously loves Kody so much, seeing her mom behave that way must have been AWFUL. I agree Mariah's been not so great to her mom but I feel for her having to see her mom so humiliated like that.
DeleteAnd we all know that Meri 100 percent would have left if that Catfisher was a real guy. I think knowing that your Dad and your family were a second choice must be painful and she is therefore determined to "punish" her. I don't support it but I think I understand it
DeleteThe problem is that Meri has established this peer to peer codependent relationship with Mariah through the years because of Meri's emotional immaturity and Mariah being the only child she could bring to this world.
DeleteThat's why they wouldn't understand this comment "How dare Mariah talk to her mother the way she does and then shut her down any time her mother tries to talk to her, always saying Meri broke her trust when she was "catfished". Who does she think she is? Why dies Mariah think she has any right to judge her mother? Shame on her!!
That has been the nature of their relationship for so long that it's not abnormal for them except now they are dealing with real adult issues and they don't have the tools and maturity to deal with it properly.... either one of them. Those are tools that should have been taught to Mariah. The reason I'm so vocal about this is because I had a similar relationship with my mother and this exact thing happened to us. Never to be truly reconciled for what it was or concluded that my mother failed me in a very real and long lasting way. IMO of course.
Amen! What a rotten, selfish child.
ReplyDeleteThe scenes with Mariah and the older siblings was nice.
ReplyDeleteAlthough good for Mariah for coming out if that is her life path...however, after almost two hours,and now apparently even more Meri TH's with her slow-speak and shrugging is coming up...it is getting to be overkill.
Way off topic here, but where is Dayton? I haven't seen him in ages.
ReplyDeleteDayton is there in the kitchen scenes when Tony cooks.
DeleteHaven't been watching because three hours is just too much. Have peeked tho at the LR. Is Mariah's news blowing Mykelti's wedding planning off the episode completely?
ReplyDeleteYes, did anyone tell Mariah that she should sit on her news so as not to intrude on Myketi's wedding? They do play favorites don't they. Mariah says that she told the family near Thanksgiving. That is not the problem, but yet Mykelti's wedding was just a couple of weeks from then on Dec. 17. Mykelti just seems to get shorted by the family.
DeleteMariah was gay before either sister became engaged. There is no way not to have competing news, birthdays, weddings, etc.. in a famliy with a ridiculous number of people. If they had five kids in diapers at the same time they will have 5 kids with lifechanging news at the same time.
DeleteI absolutely agree that with that many children there will be competing news, etc. My problem is that Mykelti was told to not compete with her half-sister. She was not allowed to enjoy her news or to be celebrated by her family because "this is Maddie's season."
DeleteMariah is unbearably rude to her mother.
ReplyDeleteYea , Mariah wants acceptance but she's refusing to understand or accept her mom's choices. Oh hold on, I need to go barf because I just hear Robyn say "baby making juices" GROSS!
DeleteWhat happened to the rest of this episode? A bunch of old sh*t. Boring!
ReplyDeleteSomething must be up at TLC.....why else would they make the third hour another jumble of old scenes. They even tried to dress up this lame offering as labeling it "Plyg Travel trips"....so, so ridiculous !!!
ReplyDeleteTalk about scrapping the very bottom of the barrel !!
Oh my goodness, I detest polygamy. Really really detest it.So far I have two pages of observations will try to split it up.How dare Robyn tell meri the problem between her and KOdy is because she builds a wall. It could not be because he is a serial adulterer? At the beginning Kody said" Our religion diminishes our thought patterns" . No kidding Sherlock you are in a Cult.In a Cult Meri setting boundaries is called building a wall and not acceptable.Not only is Meri expendable to Kody Mariah can replace her too.Mariah was embarrassed when the catfish thing happened but her life is to be public fodder? Janelle said she has never known a gay person in her community.I guess Meri didn't either. Why did Janelle say that? Was t a judgement or weird to her?If so Mariah will never say it.Kody says most Christianity struggles with gay orientation. Nope. The united Church of Canada and the Anglicans do not ,just for a few.Lastly Kody has his way with Mariah because he is like the consummate Disneyland Dad.Plus his wihes are everyone's desire being the patriarch and all.When Mariah said I could be doing better things with my time I thought so could your MotherMariah, so you could have your Mother.
ReplyDeleteNonsharer, you're right about the United Church of Canada and the Anglicans. Likewise, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) welcomes people of all orientations, and in my congregation, same-sex couples can be married if they wish to do so.
DeleteIn my town there are two Presbyterian churches, and oddly enough they stand side by side. Just after the law stating that same sex marriages are now legal, the minister in one church stood up one Sunday and pounded the pulpit about the evil of homosexuality. In the second church the minister stood up and stated that Christ loves all who open their hearts to him. The following Sunday there was a noticeable decline of attendance in the first church and from what I heard the second church's seats were overflowing. People do care about the subject, even if they know no one who is homosexual or transgender etc, people care. Let's hope that more and more can see that we are all human.
DeleteI don't know if anyone else feels this way and I've seen here and there on these comment sections but I have felt both Kody and Meri are gay and unwilling to come to terms with it throughout this show/their life. Perhaps bisexual. But it's interesting to see them deal with this in a child now.
Deletewishes -oops
ReplyDeleteok someone explain the timeline to me....People mag article says the "coming out" to the parents was at Thanksgiving, but they are talking about it on this trip and Kody says this trip is after Maddie's summer wedding, a gettaway before the kids go back to school. So when did this really happen???
ReplyDeleteGood question!
DeleteYeah, I'm confused on their timeline too! CJ, do you know?
DeleteMore Brown lies. The coming out was obv not at Thanksgiving. This trip is a summer trip. No way this is Utah weather in late Nov/ early Dec. This was filmed way before Thanksgiving. Logan just said in the bar scene to Mykelti and Tony the wedding is a "few months" away. If this was when People mag said at Thanksgiving the wedding would be a few weeks away.
DeleteI blame editors.
DeleteI'm betting Mariah told the family at some point over the summer, but they "filmed" the coming out conversation while the film crew was there filming Thanksgiving
DeleteWhich makes it contrived! Ewww Robyn please stop with discussing sperm donations! It's natural for Meri to have these feelings. Robyn is just excited that she gets to play Mariah and Kody's favorite!
DeleteSpeaking as a mom who was totally in Meri's position, I do not think Meri's behavior is all that wrong or "weird." I was completely blindsided by my son's announcement as well. At least Mariah did it face to face. My son left me a letter on my kitchen counter that I found and read on my way to work. My reaction: tears, and lots of them. First to mourn the loss of getting a daughter in law and having grandkids. Then tears for fear of his safety, as homosexuals are targeted in violent attacks. Then tears of worry that he would catch a deadly disease and I would have to watch him die. Then tears of caring that he would settle down and find someone to spend his life with. Then the mother "hackles" came out and those who made fun of gays or told gay jokes were sorry they did. His father and I have accepted and made welcome the guy in every relationship he has had since we found out 16 years ago. He is now with a guy who seems the perfect match. They are making plans to marry in the future and have a baby if they can find a surrogate. After 16 years, we still have friends and relatives who don't know. Some would disown all of us if they knew. Some probably wouldn't care, but talking about your son's sexual preferences isn't a normal conversation. Our close family and friends love and support him. So I say, don't be so hard and judgmental when it comes to Meri and her reaction to the news. What she feels is real. It's just going to take some time for her to mourn her losses, stop crying, and see that life will go on, but in a slightly different direction than she originally planned. And if other people don't like it, try to educate them. If they still don't like it, then to hell with them!
DeleteThank you for sharing, Cindy.
DeleteCindy snark, thank you for sharing your story.
DeleteSo Janelle at a dinner did not want anyone to allude that women have mood swings because of hormones but Maddie can talk about the walls maybe not being thick enough.Caleb is talking about making babies.Mykelti is talking about making out in front of the whole family.All this is fine with Janelle.
ReplyDeleteOh ICK!
DeleteBack from a trip and catching up with the blog. Wow, I actually missed something interesting. Although we have been speculating that Mariah is gay, I admit I question how genuine this is. I live in the very liberal bubble that is the SF Bay Area. I went to a liberal arts women's college. There is/was a term there that I have to wonder is at play here: a LUG, meaning Lesbian Until Graduation. OMG, I shared that! I knew several vocal lesbians while at school who returned with husbands and kids at reunions. No kidding!
ReplyDeleteThese days it seems hip and trendy to be gay, a LUG, or "fluid" (instead of labeling kne as bisexual). Coming out now is super different than when people bravely did it in the 1970s and earlier like my uncle and his many friends well before the world heard of Harvey Milk.
Considering Mariah is a women's studies major, per this blog, it is on par with that degree to be anti-men in a way, down with marriage and such, even though it is a fantastic degree to have. Embarrassed to say this about my school but all of the women's studies majors were either lesbians or LUGs; like it was some odd prerequisite.
If Mariah is still with a woman in a committed long-term relationship years after graduation then I will believe this storyline. Right now I feel there is a tinge of attention seeking and being "modern" and shocking for lack of another word. The spotlight needed to come back to her in a way as the once only legal child.
Many lesbians get married and have children so that can still be in her future, duh. In fact, the most tear-jerky, loving weddings I have been to have been gay ones.
Mariah can be pro-gay and pro-gay rights, doesn't mean she wants to be a, well, muff-diver for eternity. Time will tell. But coming out, makes her stand out from the Brown Pack like when shen was the only legal one.
I was thinking the same thing. Her story was not consistent. It went from "I've always known" to "I was totally surprised by it". I think she is a confused young lady who was raised in a cult--basically a bubble--who went to a liberal college and was exposed to totally different ideas. I also agree with you that there is some attention seeking involved. It will be interesting to see what happens to her in the future.
DeleteShe lived in a closed community all her life. They were part time homeschooled with the church's curriculum most years. I think the Vegas move changed things, not the Utah move. It sounds like an 80's family revelation.
DeleteIn response to Ark of Snark and Snarkaholic (awesome names by the way) I agree that the whole Mariah "coming out" feels a bit contrived...and, well convenient... who knows if Mariah is gay (frankly there's a chance she may not even know, I have a feeling she is still working through all this herself) regardless of any of that, one thing is for sure Meri and Mariah are front and center again... I guess Mariah is now "just another tv star" (remember her twitter quote) that People magazine has deemed an important advocate
DeleteAt my school, they called it "gay on the streets, straight in the sheets"....and that was only 12 years ago - you were expected to "experiment", and if you didn't "experiment" you lied and said you did just to fit in
DeleteI was at Berkeley in the 90s and LUG and BUG (bisexual until graduation) were commonly used terms. Were you at Mills?
DeleteHa ha, busted! ;-) Yes, I went to Mills and graduated in the mid-90s. Most women's colleges have a high percentage of LUGs and BUGs so given she is in the same small college environment it's totally possible she is also fitting in with the "in" crowd in a round about way. At least they aren't throwing her out or cutting her off as far as we can tell.
DeleteFYI, Ark, not every Women's Studies major is gay, "LUG", anti-men, etc. (Says the straight, penis-loving, Open Minded person with one of those degrees...) Jumps back down off soapbox... ;-) And to another comment above, hate to add to Kody's argument, but UMC as a whole is an example of a Christian denomination that's not pro-LGBT. However. I'm happy that they're finally revisiting that docrine; hopefully change will be inacted. Ya know, more Christ-like in 2017.. What a concept!
DeleteAfter Truly won the fish derby did Christine say" Gods be praised" in the plural.Kody said the religion we ascribe to.Wishy washy
ReplyDeleteShe pulls away from Kody on the boat when it happens, she really doesn't seem to be bonded to him at all. I mean her facial expression when he jumped down to her level, she was not happy with him in her space.
DeleteWest Coast warning......
ReplyDeleteIf you don't want to see Meri blubbering about being "catfished" with the Alaskan dinner scenes and TH's for the bazillionth time....quit before the 2nd half of the third hour.
Are they KIDDING !!! Airing those AGAIN ???!!!
So do you think Kody would be as accepting if one of his sons came out as gay?
ReplyDeleteHELL NO!!!
DeleteNope!
DeleteKody asking if she likes "a lot" of girls" was weird, to use Meri's favorite word. Just sounded like he was trying to hard to be hip.
DeleteOn the issue of Tony...They displayed a hard time feeling an acceptance for him. I don't care for him myself...but last week I thought (but didn't comment) Doesn't the original Mormon Church have a problem with nonwhite people as they are believed to be the descendants of Cain...therefore evil? The fundamentalists lean heavily toward the old ways in the book of mormon. Any thoughts?
DeleteAbsolutely not !!
DeleteSO much so, that as greedy as he is for the TLC cash, Kody would never agree to have a son's "outing" be a lead story for the show.
Obviously Mariah agreed to do it, either by pressure or by her own desire to go public. Consequently, no doubt she will receive many offers for articles and appearances from all corners of social and print media. Kody will probably horn his way into that peripheral limelight too....or try to.
Whereas if it would be a son, no way.
*Which is interesting since one scene the producers have never re-aired is the one where his high school friends admitted that back in school they not only thought Kody was an attention hog, but also that he was gay.*
If Logan or Hunter came out, he would be devastated. No question.
DeleteIt's only a matter of minutes before Aurora makes some announcement. Has she even been shown this season?
My husband and I were LDS. It was common to hear people testifying that the more they believed in the principle, the whiter their skin became. Black males were not allowed to hold the priesthood until the late 70's early 80's, although they had to pay full tithe.
DeleteJoseph Smith also believed that drinking tea or coffee stained the skin, which is why it was proscribed.
And your neighbours made sure you knew that you were observed if you sinned. (I saw you buying coca-cola)
Ummm, no thanks I'll pass on traveling tips from a chaotic & unorganized polygamist family. Esp from a patriarch who is mostly known for flying by the seat of his pants w/o any actual real planning.
ReplyDeletePrinciple tumblr posted that Mariah "came out" on tumblr a year ago. I don't know one way or the other but I think she is sincere. She admitted she suppressed this for years due to the cults beliefs. She has never had a BF, and I think it's the timing and writing into the script is the only thing I think is fishy.
ReplyDeleteDoes Mariah have a tumblr? what is it?
DeleteSomeone on the Sister Wives forum at Previously TV Forums posted a link to her tumblr and then scanned back in time to verify that yes, it was Mariah's (there are older photos and posts from her in high school I believe)
DeleteShe started posting pornographic photos of women around April or May of 2016 and lesbianesk style photos as well. Talk of her being gay has been going around since this summer past I think.
http://mariahlian.tumblr.com/
Her tumblr is disturbing to say the least.
DeleteCan someone please tweet Mariah's tumblr address to Kody and Robyn? I'd just loooove to hear their opinion about it
Delete@Anonymous: I have no idea what you're talking about. I think Mariah's tumblr is adorable! Although she must use an app that only shows you blog posts with several thousand reblogs.
Delete@Roslyn: There is earlier stuff. In early January 2016 there's a post about "being a dyke in 2015" for example. Hardly straight stuff. ;)
@Anon 9:46am - Agree it's disturbing. Definitely not adorable.
DeleteYuck Sobbin Robyn ruins every scene for me... just putting it out there that Mariah might be rejecting heterosexual relationships because everything she's seen with Kody and his wives genuinely grosses her out!
ReplyDeleteOmg was someone standing behind Meri with a gun in her talking head when she said she invited Robyn to be their go between? She could barely say the words . And what an ass Kody us for insisting on sitting where he wants to because that's where he's comfortable! Who cares how Meri (who you made divorce you) and is crying feels . This is so contrived and just another chance for Kody and Robyn to get in their soapbox and look down on everyone else !
ReplyDeleteI saw KOdy hug his daughter and say he loved her and wanted her to feel safe. That she could tell him if it was otherwise.Imagine if Meri heard those words.
ReplyDeleteITA! Mariah is a spoiled brat and using this "I'm gay" thing to really get back at Meri. Meri needs to quit kissing Mariah's ass and show her some tough love. Mariah I think is looking for her 15 minutes of fame so to speak, and wants to be the center of attention since Maddie and Mykelti weddings and now Maddie's pregnancy. Sibling rivalry? Shock and awe? Who knows for sure but I think Mariah is still very immature and needs to grow up. What a brat! The way she is treating her mother who loves her dearly is just wrong.
ReplyDeleteMariah is enjoying her mom squirming a little too much. I swear she was smirking through that whole scene. This is definitely a punishment for Meri and if Meri dare mis speaks (like using the word "weird") Mariah is ready to pounce ! This just feels like mariahs way of sticking it to Meri by doing it on camera.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know how long this season is...??
ReplyDeleteBecause this current schedule of glutting the entire prime time slot with 2 or 3 hours of Brown sludge is tedious to the point of begging for mutiny.
Snarking a snark-worthy show is one thing, continuing to watch a show that relies on such over-production and manipulation is like killing off one's own brain cells.
Some things are becoming clear this season......
Meri, for now, has been cast as the ultra self-absorbed, rather dim-witted outcast who bungles things every time she opens her mouth.
Do we (will we) know if Meri ever says anything appropriate to Mariah, since we only see the version after the TLC editing elves fine-tune it?
Sobbin/Robyn is now in the role of family sage, and is also Kody's official handler, prompter and translator.
Hail Sobbin/Oz !!
Also, finally realized why Sobbin's speech is so "clenched" and mushy.. because only her lower jaw moves. Fascinating, once you notice and see it.
Christine is currently in the role of pom-pom and all around sunshine girl!! And interestingly, she is really owning the part this season.
Janelle seems to be assigned the role of finisher. She validates what everyone says after they say it, much like the kid who always said "me too" after everyone else spoke.
1)WTF with Mariah saying Robyn helped her so much with coming out because she was the only one who said being gay was okay and had gay friends?! I recall Janelle having gay friends over from work in season 1 for that "thank you" dinner. So, obviously it wasn't such a foreign idea!
ReplyDelete2) Then, Kody says Robyn has/had a lot of gay friends and it was an issue for him when they were dating? WTF?! So, he is basically crediting Robyn for his open-mindedness?! Again, what about Janelle?!
3)Mariah sure can see -thru and call out Meri on her crap but she can't see through Robyn?!
Mariah's behavior is making me sick! If you are old enough to come out to your family and ask for love and acceptance, you should be capable of doing the same for them! She is acting like a snotty teenager! Mariah knows that her mom is in constant competition with those women. She cried for several episodes about a wet bar for crying out loud! However, she is supposed to wrap her mind around and be instantly thrilled that her only child is gay and probably won't follow down the more traditional path that Meri had probably always imagined for her? If the whole story line is true and Meri had no clue that Mariah was gay, I think it was cruel to tell her in front of all of the other moms and on T.V. I am very open minded and wouldn't be upset at all if one of my kids came out as gay, but I would like some time to process it privately and not have my initial reaction broadcast for the world to see. What is wrong with Mariah? Kody told her that he was partly responsible for Meri being catfished, but Mariah refused to see it. Oh, no Mariah, I am sure the fact that your mother has been emotionally neglected for years by her husband has nothing to do with the fact that she looked for comfort and companionship outside of the house. I just don't get her. I was about 10 when I realized that my parents weren't perfect, but real people. There comes a point where we all must realize that our parents aren't perfect, but are real people and have done the best they could by us. Meri should cut her off and let her see how much money Kody and Robyn are willing to give to her, since she likes them so much more! My thinking is not much! Meri has always spoiled Mariah and sadly I think it's coming back to bite her. I hope Mariah can see herself on this episode and self reflect on her bad behavior.
ReplyDeleteYeah, cut her off, she won't get jack s**t from Mother Robyn.
DeleteCouponing 1.9.17 @ 9:35 a.m. - It wasn't cruel of Mariah to make her announcement on camera, if you think about how she was doing what she was taught. The parents signed up to publicly broadcast their lives and the lives of all the kids--who had no say in the matter and weren't required to be paid--and have made their living
Deleteblindsiding their kids on camera. Watch the episode where Kody devastates the kids with the announcement they're being uprooted in three days and moving to another state. That was cruel.
If Mariah chooses (and if she's smart), she can, since she's over 18, negotiate her own contract with TLC and receive a paycheck for having her story featured in episodes. Surely that's what Madison, Caleb, Mykelti, and Tony have done. Kody and his koncubines have made a pretty penny publicly broadcasting the kids' private
lives. Then Kody does things like tell Mariah, sorry, no money for a private college, but, yeah, we just spent about $1.8 million on these houses and, besides, you're not getting money that I could put towards my retirement instead. Did Meri consider the effect on Mariah of her actions online with the CF? No, she did not. There wasn't anything unfair or unfeeling about the way Mariah made her announcement, and, ostensibly, it helps the parents by boosting ratings and keeping their cash flowing, too. That's what they've taught.
I do believe last night's show was the first time in years I haven't fallen asleep trying to watch this show. I agree with those saying Mariah is punishing Meri with her stand offish way. Meri, IMO, needs to just come clean about the catfish ordeal instead of trying to rewrite history to make herself look less guilty. When Kody said that long go he thought about the fact that with the large number of kids in their family, more than likely one or more would be gay. And that he and Robin discussed it and how they would handle it when/if it happened. I was wondering why Kody never discussed this with the other three wives, esp. since these wives were the ones most likely to be involved if one of the kids were gay.
ReplyDeleteI meant to add this thought to my previous comment but forgot. I was kind of shocked that Mariah came out as gay...not for the reason that seems obvious though. I was shocked because after it came to light that the "guy" Meri was talking to online was really "female" for some strange reason I wondered if Meri has been gay her whole life and just suppressed it. I do not know why I had that thought but I did. So when Mariah came out..Idk, it made me recall what I had wondered bout Meri.
ReplyDeleteI've always thought Meri was gay and the she fell in love with Robyn and that's why she encouraged Kody to court her.
Delete@Lisasumms; I also wondered about that in regards to the first woman Meri and Kody openly courted together to be the 2nd wife. It is a well known fact that the young gal they were "in love with" (their words - not mine!!) was underage and they were waiting for her to turn 18 in order to announce their "engagement." Meri seemed sick with disappointment when the girl backed out. It was beyond weird (or funky!!)
DeleteApparently this is what you "sign up for" when you have a reality tv show - having your most private moments filmed and then sensationalized. I cannot even imagine being so desperate for money/attention.
ReplyDeleteAfter the comments upthread that perhaps Meri is mentally challenged, I am seeing her with new eyes. I am not ruling that out and I think I will give her a pass from future snarking. What I first saw as ignorance or emotional immaturity - I am leaning towards indeed wondering if she is below average intelligence.
When she repeatedly stated she had no idea how Mariah could have a baby (how would that work??) this came from someone who had spent time with a fertility specialist and considered IVF.
I am thinking the slower speech, limited vocabulary (a drinking game for every time she uses the word "weird" to describe feelings and relationships--and "funky" was also used again this episode!) might be indicative of something else. The doodling on her arms like a lovesick 12 year old and filling her notebooks with "Mrs. Samuel Cooper," "Meri Cooper," "Mrs. Meri Cooper," "Mr & Mrs. Samuel Cooper," might suggest more than just emotional immaturity. Perhaps that is why she was so easily deceived by the catfish, because she may very well be below average intelligence? If that is the case, it is extremely sad that she has an additional handicap in processing this cult she was raised in and most certainly won't ever have the resources to leave unless someone intervenes on her behalf.
Big Sky,
DeleteI'm not ruling it out either.
However, Meri's transformation from the take charge, high energy, legal CEO wife to the simpering, insecure, emotionally limp shell she is now may be down to two life altering and irrefutable events.
1-Kody and Sobbin decide that Meri's legal marriage needs to be eliminated for the fictional reason of legalizing Sobbin's kids.
An action that Meri apparently had no footing in their sick world to reject and deny. Even in the midst of such an awful, BS plan, her job was to "keep sweet" and agree to parrot the false version. The Harem master got his way...along with the wishes of his new muse.
2- Meri was utterly humiliated by her compliance and pathetically juvenile and reckless actions with the CF...and then the world knew it too....along with her family and her only child.
It can't be said enough by any viewer, let alone by any real people in her life, Meri needed therapy. And NOT ridiculous pretend sessions with cameras and lights and a therapist paid to go along with it all.
But back to the original thought...maybe Meri does have a missing link or two of IQ....which just makes the whole sordid story even sadder.
Yes, yes, yes. To number 1 in particular. As for number 2, you bet she was humiliated, but not before she seemingly closed the door on every member of her family to swoon and seduce a name on the internet (maybe even including her daughter, who warned her).
DeleteAre we saying any of them have a high IQ?
DeleteBecause with generations of inbreeding , isolation from the world in the religious cult and finally the constant suppression of feelings I'm pretty sure they are all very low in IQ.
Meri has indeed fallen from grace and position. But she has never acted this dumb before. Her constant seeking acceptance and forgiveness is a little to needy for me. She has let Robyn usurp any little power and position with Kody she had and now her daughter too. She should just leave and become a long haul truck driver, she already has the wardrobe.
"Are we saying any of them have a high IQ?"
DeleteNo, not at all, which is why whenever Jangle/Janelle was lauded as "the smart one" it begged the question of what benchmark was being used as a measure in that family of dysfunction and mingled genes.
Your point about her never acting this dumb/thick before is true. That is, as far as what TLC has chosen to show !!!
The reality of what happens to plyg wives as they get older and naturally infertile is well documented. They get replaced !!
Meri was infertile after the first miscarriage after Mariah. She was already becoming irrelevant to Kody years ago. Her only identity and "power" was to stay ahead of the other ones in stamina and administration..as wife #1. Kody and Sobbin took that from her, and cruelly added the insult of expecting her to announce it was HER idea.
She definitely *should* leave. But she won't if she hasn't the mental where-with-all to figure it out. Presently she is filmed just spinning in her self-dug hole of despair and uncertainty. And unless this show is diabolically scripted for her to literally "act" like that, Meri is a lost cause in ever leaving that sick, sick, very sick setup.
Meri appears to be so easily manipulated by Kody, Robyn, the Catfish - they all had her believing whatever they wanted her to think. I have family members with diminished mental capacity and so I'm sensitive to the notion that maybe at issue is her intelligence level - in addition to the obvious issue - POLYGAMY. I am in no means trying to assess her IQ as a viewer of the show. The upthread suggestions about her mental capacity allowed me to look at her from another perspective.....or maybe I am just desperate to think that no one would live this lifestyle unless mentally incapacitated??!!
Delete".....or maybe I am just desperate to think that no one would live this lifestyle unless mentally incapacitated??!! "
DeleteTotally get what you are saying.....sigh !!
Don't forget the word "processing" in its many forms. They are constantly processing every part of their lives. They have no time for productive income because they are constantly processing all their mental states. Normal people have to manage the ups and downs in lives while being gainfully employed or part of a family system where there is a breadwinner while they care for children. But not this ongoing widespread unemployment. It's a luxury they have to spend all this time and energy "processing" every damn thing. I believe its code word for something uncomfortable that they should normally accept or change, but in their world what it means for them is sending an event through the plyg filter, to come out the other side with some very twisted attitudes.
Deleteshemeantwell. That was very insightful.
DeleteI've long wondered if medication is the reason for the changes in Meri that aren't an improvement--her slow speech and general sluggish affect.
DeleteWhyNotBrotherHusbands,
DeleteIt could well be medication or at least a part of it.
However, Meri has exhibited that halting almost childish speech pattern since the beginning. Her TH's were always like that.
What IS a significant change is her demeanor for the couch chats.
Where she used to engage freely, she now sits quiet and passive.
And in thinking on that, a big difference could be that this season (and part of last season) is all about weddings and showers and parents of the bride. Nothing much for Meri in those chats except longing and self=pity.
Okay, so Mariah comes out, and right afterward in the scene on the deck in the mountains, she's already completely butched up. Seemed really contrived.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Mariah had been acting so offended over Meri's catfishing for one or both of these reasons: a) Mariah needed an excuse to get space for a year while she was confirming her sexual orientation and/or determining how to come out to her family; and/or b) Mariah was strategically putting Meri in a groveling and desperate position so that Mariah would have the upper hand when coming out.
Good point, the outrage was a great way to distance herself from a very smothering mom.
DeleteIt’s very obvious in looking back at the travelogue portion of last nights show, Meri was a completely different person back then. As Wife #1 and Legal Wife, that is. I see so clearly that whatever scripted words were spoken by all of them at the time of the divorce, it kicked the wheels out from under her. She was front & center back then, organizing, participating, the Go-To Wife. Everything changed when Kody divorced her. She’s whiny, self-pitying, sad, withdrawn, inarticulate, crying, LYING (constantly!) and SHE IS ANGRY. Like any consort deposed by a younger, more interesting playmate might be. The flip side of this is that Robyn seems to be blossoming and somewhat condescending in her role as mentor, coach, confidante, sage, Wife #1, Legal Wife. She and Kody look like a very ordinary, monogamous married couple with three middle-aged spinster aunties hanging around on the perimeter.
ReplyDeleteIs Mariah really gay? Yes, I believe she likely is, and that it has nothing to do with payback to her mother. I doubt that any young person would come out on national TV if it wasn’t true. Do I think she treats her mother with disrespect? Yes, I do. Big HOWEVER… though. Meri, Kody, and TLC have been lying about this catfishing debacle forever and Mariah called it in the earliest days. I saw this unfold on Meri’s Twitter and even back then in the early days, I remember thinking that much about it didn’t seem kosher. This was no “friend” as Meri and Kody have tried to convince us. Nor was it Meri branching out to meet new people, to fill her empty nest, to broaden her horizons. This was an affair of the heart. She was flirting outrageously, she was giddy, she was coy and seductive and suggestive. This was long before the voice recordings of Meri literally begging, over and over again, for “his” love. It was an affair. Unconsummated, but an affair nevertheless and Mariah knows it.
Mariah stated long ago that she tried to talk to Meri about it, warn her, tell her she was being scammed, but that Meri wouldn’t listen. Who knows what those conversations might have looked like? I suspect Meri would have been defensive, dismissive and ANGRY at her daughter’s impertinence. Let’s not forget the multitude of painful episodes during this time, where Meri sat on that couch (or didn’t show up at all), making her disdain and boredom with the whole Brown clan beyond obvious. Completely disengaged. Her rejection of them was palpable. While she was all caught up in her romance, it’s not impossible to think she might have shut her daughter out also. Now we see Meri crying and “just doing my life on my own”, while Kody says that Meri asked him to leave, and not come around anymore. I’m no Kody Brown fan, but I believe him! When he says that it sounds like Meri is now accusing him of abandoning her, he’s right! Mariah also stated that her Mom was withdrawn, on her phone constantly, oblivious to everything around her except for her “Sam”.
Mariah went on with her life. Mariah is not easy to like on camera but I would bet my last dollar that Meri rejected Mariah along with the rest of the family, long before she got a taste of her own medicine and was left standing there alone like a fool, with an empty banana peel in her hand. Her attempts to get Mariah to talk about her life are beyond awkward. Meri is angry as usual, she’s “tired of it”, she’s feeling sorry for herself, her “expectations” have been crushed. And then she giggles and smirks about the whole “gayness” topic. How demeaning to her daughter.
The longer this show goes on and we get a peek at their lives, even if heavily scripted, the sicker it all seems to me. I can’t imagine what any of them get out of this arrangement. These women are not helpmates to each other, they openly admit that they have little in the way of relationship between them, sometimes only seeing each other to wave hello a couple of times a week. While the hoofprints of the resident Satyr wear a path between the homes. If that even happens anymore.
Ha,ha,ha hilarious , hoof prints of Satyr... Great belly laugh on that one.
DeleteI totally agree with all. Great post Anon 11:46!!!!
Spot on Anon!!
DeleteExcellent observations, Anonymous 1.9.17 @ 11:46 a.m.! Agree that Meri isn't going to be able to repair her relationship with Mariah until Meri starts being honest (and stops being self-absorbed).
DeleteI'm really kind of surprised at how many people are angry with Mariah's behavior. She's what....20? And she's supposed to have the emotional maturity to be the bigger person with her mom already? It made me squirm to see Meri try to hash out the 'are we good???' relationship stuff with Mariah. At 20... heck, even at more than double that age... I can't stomach that sort of relationship navel-gazing. Mariah needs some space from her overbearing parents to come to terms with who she is. She's clearly way happier than we've seen her in the past few years, but she's still not fully mature developmentally.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more. Those kinds of conversations can be difficult at the best of times. Meri's awkward, unintelligible, me, me, me type of approach would shut me down in an instant. None of this excuses any disrespect Mariah throws at her Mom, but it certainly explains why she's frustrated. Maybe a clearly spoken, genuine apology from Meri to her daughter for not believing her when Maria warned her she was being scammed, would go a long way to healing the rift. Right now, all we see is Meri wanting Mariah to soothe her, and she's the parent!
DeleteI find the need of Robyn to be the wise buffer and Brown relationship guru as too much to handle. Since Meri and Kody was the only "legal" coupling I think Robyn insisted on being in the middle of them constantly. I think Meri was so needy for a friend that she let her come between them. In her own words (Meri) explains how Robyn translates and buffers her conversations with Kody. All of this "Kody control" or "access" to him seems to be the way Robyn usurped Meri, took the legal marriage and truly lives her honeymoon, monogamous relationship with Kody. I gave Meri too much credit in the first seasons as being first wife. She was so emotionally starved when Robyn entered the picture that she trusted Robyn and then it was too late. I actually forgot how much I dislike Robyn until last night when she was injected and controlled every scene last night. It was so nice not to see her witch face these past few shows.
ReplyDeleteIt is irritating that they use her like a translator or "Kody-Whisperer"... it's bizarre lol!
DeleteYes, yes, Kody whisperer. Hilarious!!!
DeleteAm I the only person who thinks Mariah's anger towards her mother goes way beyond the catfishing incident? Maybe in the process of adopting a "radical feminist agenda", Mariah finally came to the devastating realizations that A) her mother was duped into living plural marriage, and B) Meri continues to actively subject herself to living in that misery.
ReplyDeleteWhile I would agree and think that makes the most sense, I am not sure if that is the case with Mariah. She refused to let her dad accept any of the blame for his and Meri's marriage having gone bad and leaving her vulnerable to a catfish. Secondly, she acts all close and buddy-buddy with her dad's other wives, so why only hate Meri? If your theory is true, maybe she is taking it out on the person she is closest too which is her mother? Maybe, but she has some serious misplaced anger if that is the case!
DeleteNo, you are not the only one. I think there is many layers to the Meri/Mariah story based on things that we didn't see or haven't been shown. Mariah is Daddy's little girl, that was pretty apparent in this episode when he embraced her and whispered his feelings in her ear. They have a relationship that he doesn't have with his other daughters, that much is clear.
DeleteDid I hear last night that BOTH Maddison and Caleb were attending University of Wyoming? At 28, I assumed he already finished his undergrad... and now that she is expecting, how are they supporting themselves? Even at a state school two full time students and a new baby is expensive. I'm also curious what Maddie is studying I know she only finished a year in Utah (technically one semester because she left before finishing her full second semester course load).... also, if your plan was for the both of you to go back to school, why the rush for kids? None of it makes sense to me
ReplyDeleteMaybe the baby was a genuine surprise? I mean we all know (or have been ourselves) a couple who were on BC (sometimes more than one), and still got pregnant ~
DeleteConsidering how they were raised I would not expect financially responsible Adults.I thought Caleb was 30 and she is 20 .Could be wrong. Why did he say he has been growing up a lot.How? Is he a heavy drinker? It does not sound like he is a partier.Maddie says they like to be alone together. I bet she loves the undivided attention from a man who reminds her of Daddy.My guess is student loans never to be repaid and mooching.Caleb does not come off as bright.
DeleteLDS do marriage and have kids all while attending school and at older ages cause they spend a few years on missions and those missions don't always line with school terms. I would not consider 28 too old to be in college.
DeleteBut Maddie is not and never was LDS.Neither she nor Caleb have gone on a mission.
DeleteIsn't Caleb's family some flavor of Protestant and his Dad a minister?
DeleteI work at UW. Not sure when, or how long, he was in Montana after high school. Not sure whether he qualified for the excellent, state-funded Hathaway program. Also am unclear where they'be been living recently. I seem to remember reading that he moved back to Worland as his mother's illness progressed. But for sure, Maddie should have some residency issues. The order of things is interesting. It's neither here nor there - when they have kids is their decision in the end. But yeah, one can envision easier scenarios.
DeleteAccording to Mrs. Brush's obit, he was a Church of Christ minister. Defintely not LDS or anything adjacent.
DeleteI suspect that Caleb was one young many who found great appeal in both the work and the rewards of working in the area energy industry right out of high school. Absolutely nothing wrong with that - but a whole lotta folks who took that road are now finding themselves scrambling for new ways to pay the bills (including different higher education options as the bottom falls out.
Delete"Man," not "many."
DeleteOh...to be a fly on the wall. I would LOVE to know exactly what Caleb's Dad thought of that wedding ceremony. I don't know much about Church of Christ but I think it's a pretty far cry from the Church of Kody (AUB, is it?) in terms of how "business" is conducted.
DeleteReading this blog is so much more fun than watching the show.
ReplyDeleteI have come to the conclusion that this show has a plot line that they are delivering to us. Kate from "Return to Amish" claimed that her show had a loose script that the characters had to follow. I do not believe that Mariah is still angry at Meri. I think that the producers are pushing this. I do not think that the producers are behind the "coming out." I do think they want to created drama between mother and daughter. The occasional look at Mariah's face when she was looking away from Meri was avery suspicious. I wonder how much truth this show has at all. The timeline of the announcement is certainly suspicious.
ReplyDelete"very" not "avery"
ReplyDeleteMariah strikes me as thinking that if she is gay, she must act and dress a certain way. Being gay doesn't mean that you have to wear your hat sideways, and wear too small of clothes. Since she was perfectly happy to wear dresses, and normal fitting clothes before, I don't understand her attire change. Now, dresses are a thing of the past for many heterosexual females, but is changing your outward appearance normal in the coming out process? Because I thought that was more of a trans-gender issue? Can someone who is gay comment, please?
ReplyDeleteI was floored by Christine watching Tony cook 1 dinner and then decide he was the perfect man for MyKelti. Why must every man she knows be compared to Kody? Does she not know any other men? She's got about a thousand half-siblings, and cousins, right?
I refuse to believe that the stuff that is shown on the screen has any real relationship to their actual lives. I don't think they think it does either. You don't go from saying 'we barely know Tony, and don't like him' to 'perfect man for MyKelti' after one dinner. The way Kody was looking down his nose in that talking head tells me he didn't buy Christine's change in opinion either. I'm not criticizing Tony because I haven't seen enough of him on screen to do so(this is the first episode I've watched all season).
Why does Robyn have to be in every conversation between Kody and Meri? The 4 marriages are supposed to be separate marriages, and the wives are not supposed to interfere with the other marriages. Does Robyn also follow Kody over to Christine's and Jenelle's homes? Maybe spend the night there on Kody's night? Is that why she has nannies in her home?
Maybe Christine loved Tony and the dinner because he managed to feed the multitudes without incinerating a week's worth of groceries or landing a toddler in the ICU.
DeletePractically like Jesus and the fish tacos! She's probably overwhelmed by the concept of male competence.
Tony can cook at my place anytime.:)
"You don't go from saying 'we barely know Tony, and don't like him' to 'perfect man for MyKelti' after one dinner."
DeleteIf you're being serious you don't change your opinion that quickly, but I thought she was being funny. I took her statement as softening her impression of him and being more open to accepting him into the family, not that it was a complete stamp of approval. The Brown clan has demonstrated questionable decision making in the past, but I don't think that this was another example of it. I saw it as just a lighthearted comment to kind of break the ice.
You do if you have never seen a man act as an equal to women. He must seem like the nicest man ever to these women.
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ReplyDeleteI am not sure that changing the way one dresses has anything to do with being gay, coming out, or even being confused. I have taught at a university for more years than I can count and I can tell you that students enter their freshmen year with new back packs, matching shoes and purses, clothes that are stylish and matching, and other types of fixtures that often extends their behaviors from home. Their sophomore year, they show up in sweats and stained tees and by their senior year, they are lucky to wear PJ bottoms and a stained tee to class. Some students change completely from certain styles of clothes and it's okay. College is about learning some liberal arts information and maybe some professional information too but it is also all about finding oneself. After the first two semesters, students begin voicing opinions at home that are often hard for their parents to hear. Many times, youth pastors warn students about the evils of college changing who they are or who their parents want them to be. College doesn't change them, education brings change...knowledge changes everything.
Milo @5:51 a.m. - Indoctrination is what the kids had (AUB, Kody's world, etc.) until they left home/started college. Knowledge through higher education and being out in/on their own in the world has opened their minds, which is a definition of liberal: open-minded. The fact the kids are thus far choosing to liberate themselves from the oppressive life of polygamy they were indoctrinated into is a positive result of the fact they've had the opportunity to open their minds.
DeleteOr swapping one type of indoctrination for another. It never looks like indoctrination to you if you believe it too. Usually only outsiders can see it. Liberal indoctrination is quite humorous from the outside; full of so many contradictions between what is professed (and lectured to others) versus what is actually practiced. "Open-minded" is one of the most common contradictions to observe in liberal-land. In my own experiences, I find the most "liberal" people to be the least open-minded and the most judgmental of anyone who disagrees with them.
DeleteWhen Mariah came out to her parents she was acting all nervous & almost having a panic attack. But when she was out w/ her siblings & one of them asked her if she was nervous when she told the parents, Mariah replied, "no, not really".
ReplyDeleteDid anyone else notice, or did I just hear her wrong?
You did not hear her wrong. I fully believe that scene was filmed after the fact. That was not her truly revealing her her new self.
ReplyDeleteOnce again the TLC timeline is full of holes. The Brown's are lying about Mariah coming out at Thanksgiving. Why can't they just tell the truth?! Of what benefit is it to lie when they are so obviously tripped up by the show's editing?!
DeleteThey clearly went to Utah for a summer vacation. Those clips fishing in Utah were not during the end of November. The Utah vacation is where Meri "processed" Mariah's news and the scenes of the two of them were filmed discussing the news. Kody said during the segment they were going to Utah to relax before school started and that Mykeltie's wedding "was a few months out."
Why the need to insist she didn't come out until Thanksgiving? To pretend they didn't sensationalize the news for the drama of the show? Do they not understand how easily they are caught out in their lies?!
"To pretend they didn't sensationalize the news for the drama of the show? "
DeleteWe can bet that was the reason!!!
Because heaven forbid any enamored fan would suspect that Kody and Co would do anything like THAT to boost ratings and to fertilize the chatter lines.
Gosh...could it be ???
Our fav plyg family would do something THAT shady and dishonest as to lie and to deceive..and manipulate timelines....and reenact events?????
The ugly and "funky" part is that they all participated with it!!!
And can we talk....they have been doing these reenactments all along whenever it would make for better ratings.
Don't forget the biggest lie: They had to flee Utah because they'd be arrested. Yet, that's exactly where they go for vacation and the place is Meri's favorite retreat, where she went in her polygamist childhood.
DeleteThe timeline problem just points out how much lying they do. It is impossible to believe a word they say, because they are consistently caught fudging the truth.
ReplyDeleteI had never heard of LuLaRoe, so checked online. It looks like a line for teens/very young adults, not a person of Meri's age. Am I missing something?
ReplyDeleteLLR's target market seems to be stay-at-home mom's. The brand has a rabid following. Check out some LLR facebook groups.
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ReplyDeleteDid they really have Mariah play a "groomsman" in that silly fake wedding for Solomon and Robyn???
ReplyDeleteEh. She and the "groom" are tight. But yeah, in the context of unfolding storyline, that might bring a side-eye for some.
DeleteI'm guessing it made Kody's day that his first grandchild will be a boy.....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/sister-wives-maddie-brown-and-caleb-reveal-babys-gender-w460419
Caleb sounds none too bright once again on Sisterwives facebook page. Apparently he just found out babies cry and you have to change their clothes. He also says they try your patience.Then Maddie has to share you need the gender, to buy toys.That explains poor Truley stuck in fairy world.We put in more prep work and reading before committing to a puppy.This is what comes of telling Maddie she is so mature when maturity comes with age and experience.There is the clip in the kitchen where she tells Truly she will not have a baby right away.I was rolling my eyes when they got pregnant but him talking about being impatient with a baby bugs me at a whole other level.. He talks in a monotone voice and sounds like no thought has ever crossed his mind before someone suggested it.On one hand Maddie can control him like her Mom never could control her Dad ,but what will he do when she is not around to control him?
DeleteIt has been stated many times that the Brown family does not always portray the truth on television. During the divorce it was leaked. Mariah’s news was out there for quite a while a before it was on the show. There is something else that I wonder about on this show. MINDY. Does Kody already have a 5th wife in reality but not on the show? She has been a huge part of this family for a long time. I know that it has been a topic of discussion many times, but when I watched the travel show I kept seeing her. It just struck me that she is really a major part of that family.
ReplyDeleteMindy was at the table, in a tank top that didn't fit the Brown's former modest-is-hottest ethos, when Mykelti talked about her wedding. The camera focused on Mindy for a few moments, but she wasn't doing anything. Sol and Areola weren't around. Madison, meanwhile, was in a Mrs. shirt and helping Caleb with a fishing rod and even talking while Mykelti talked. Despite being the best-est bride, Madison couldn't have cared less about Mykelti's wedding plans.
DeleteWhen the oldest siblings went out, Mindy was noticeably absent. I recall in one of the early children-going-out scenes (with the polygamist escapees, maybe), Mindy was part of the gang. And, I thought she and Aspyn were supposed to be BFFs now. I found Mindy's presence or absence weird (to use Meri's best adjective) in both cases in this episode.
Also - Mindy's got to be in her mid-20s to late 20s by now. The Brown daughters don't even wait until 20 to get married. With the family's emphasis on young marriage, Mindy does seem like an outlier.
Since Mindy is a family member (Robyn's niece) I didn't really find it odd that she appears more as a part of the family than the "nanny." The kids must have bonded to her like a sibling as both Madison and Mykelti chose her to be a bridesmaid in each of their weddings (choosing her over their younger sisters from their same mother!).
DeleteI often wondered if it was Robyn's need to sound important, "I need a nanny," that painted Mindy into a defined box in the viewer's mind.
It might be more accurate to say Mindy wanted out of Pinesdale, Montana (and really, who wouldn't?!) and the appeal of living with Robyn in Las Vegas in exchange for room and board and some babysitting.... Mindy appears in all the older girls instagram pictures and looks like she is very comfortable being part of this family.
Does Mindy look "in the family way"?
ReplyDeleteNo, Mindy has always been heavy. Of course, Kody likes "curvy girls", so...........?
DeleteSince it appears that there indeed was typical TLC/Brown editing mischief going on with the timelines regarding just when Mariah presented her "news" to the parents...as evidenced by the scenes with her and the older siblings on the "late summer" Utah family mountain trip where they were candidly discussing her "news"...including asking how the parents "had" reacted to her news...note, past tense!.
ReplyDeleteSo we know now that Mariah's coming out was known by the family at least a few months before the Thanksgiving date that the show's version was selling in the recent epp.
The reason why I felt the show's scene was a reenactment was due to something being "off"...the reactions just appeared to be "canned/produced" and I hadn't even seen the trip footage yet for verification of that impression.
Janelle, saying in her talking head that Mariah seemed so nervous to the point of feeling for her neck pulse on camera, was just not believable coming from usually, reliably "clueless" Janelle. That reeked of sham/bogus !! Also Janelle's effusive display of hugs and cheers to Mariah was astoundingly inconsistent considering her darkly stoic mother of the bride "toast" at her own daughter's wedding reception.
Sobbin's reaction just looked practiced and camera ready.
Christine's was predictable, since she seems to show excitement at anything new, like Truely would.
And wasn't it fortunate that the cameras were directed to specifically hone in on every one of their faces as Mariah delivered her news?
It all looked scripted and directed, including how scheduled everyone was ushered in order into "the set" in Christine's *library* for the filming...with Meri being slated as the "conspicuous" last one to enter.....(play the ominous dum,dum, da dum)!!!
Does it really matter if TLC and Kodyworld so blatantly fudge timelines and events? Yes, I think it does.
For 8 years, this show and the Brown adults have cashed in on presenting events that are designed to be compelling and informative about plyg life in general.
The LEAST they can do is be truthful and credible when it films and airs its footage. The very least !!
"Does it really matter if TLC and Kodyworld so blatantly fudge timelines and events?"
DeleteYou bet it does Amused!! It is getting beyond ridiculous and becoming a new sport for us to catch them in yet another lie.
How about this for another lie - it just dawned on me that the huge bruise on Mykelti's forehead during the engagement episode did not happen as she claimed--on some phantom pre-engagement hike with Tony. I think we all know those two aren't avidly hiking together and the engagement hike was yet another dramatized recreation.
Can anyone guess after watching this latest episode what really happened to Mykelti's forehead?? BINGO! She walked into a glass slider while on camera during the Utah summer trip.
Again, they may think these little white lies help make the storyline consistent with the artificial "timeline," but each lie continues to chip away at their credibility.
As a viewer, I would much rather she tell the truth or say nothing at all about the bruise, rather than to make a point of saying it happened on a previous hike in order to connect all the dots into a "timeline." Mykelti announced her engagement mid-June. Then she had a late summer vacation with her family and walked straight into a glass door and from the force she hit, had to have had a major bruise/wound on her forehead (exactly like the one she sported in the engagement episode). The production company is filming in a condensed time frame (because it is low budget!) so they go straight from filming the summer vacation to filming other things - like a reenacted engagement - or a reenacted coming out session to the family. They need to quit lying. They are not good enough actors to pull off these staged reenactments!!
I don't think running into the slider door would have caused that bruise; I doubt it would have left such a significant bruise. It was just embarrassing and funny, so they included it in the edit and talked about it.
DeleteGood catch, Big Sky, on the "bruise" !!!
DeleteOF COURSE.....you're right !!!
It is also evident, and has been season after season, that SO many of their escapades, dilemmas and heart-tugging scenes are outright *created* at worst, or ridiculously overblown at least.
Very true, the Browns are not good actors and even with 8 years under their belts and in their bank accounts, none of them have progressed to being able to pull off these fake scenes.
Yet the "reality" of SW appears to now be down to watching them stumble their way through directed scenes with lame attempts to speak and react convincingly in these reenactments.
That is annoying and time-wasting enough.....but the other reality is that the some of the kids now go along with the fakery too. It must be a family sport for them all to watch the epps each week and critique their "performances."
(And we can bet that at least Kody is always pleased with his face-time !!)
I'm not a therapist, but can I suggest a therapy exercise for Meri? Watch the latest episode and count how many times you say I, I'll, I'm, Me, and My.
ReplyDeleteCan I suggest another? Do volunteer work. It can reduce or cure self-pity and self-absorption.
Mariah and Kody are probably not going to come around in their relationships with Meri until she crawls out of the depressive me-me-me quagmire that is the center of her universe. They don't trust her because she's hurt them, she's not being honest, and she doesn't currently display the ability to truly empathize with the feelings of others or to relate to feelings and events without filtering everything solely through how it affects her.
WNBH brilliant, yes.
ReplyDeletewhen Truly held up her fish....Janelle was bent over behind her and that was her very large rear end the camera zoomed in on. Why is she still doing anything strive or physical activity related when its clear she does not practice what she preaches. How mortifying for her.
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