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| Christine about to show why you don't mess around with a Polygamy Princess... |
All right. I'm just gonna cut to the chase on this one.
Robyn did not divulge her announcement, so we have to wait until the next season to find out what that was all about.
Frankly, I think it was a stupid ploy to ramp up viewers for the next season, however, I think the joke may backfire.
And given Sister Wives most likely won't reappear until after the next season of Brady and Wives final episode has been televised, we might have to wait until at least November to find out whatever it was she was going to announce.
Christine did walk out on an interview, leaving the audience wondering...why? Did it have to do with Robyn's announcement? Was Christine really upset, or was this just all a ploy, again for ratings.
All I have to say is...Christine may have singlehandedly saved the Sister Wives franchise from extinction with a sudden need to leave the set.
Let's analyze what happened ...
First, we need a baseline picture of what Christine looks like when she is about to explode and walk off. Luckily we have such a picture - from season one when Kody dropped his "bombshell" that he helped Robyn pick out her wedding dress.
Notice how her face is practically void of any emotion.
But you can tell from her eyes, something is going on inside her head, and she's about to explode.
I suppose it was a good thing no guns or knives were within her reach...
One of the things I noticed is how she doesn't look to be upset. Maybe that's a result of 4 years experience on the couch, but the lady looks like she drank a giant glass or two of iced tea and just needed to go to the powder room...pronto.
Tamron looked a bit perturbed...
But Robyn looked like she was smelling what Christine was cooking...and it didn't smell good, y'all...
So what happened? The official version is like this. According to Tamron (via voiceover), the next segment to be filmed was supposed to be an interview with Robyn and Kody discussing their future baby plans. Wives Meri, Christine and Janelle had agreed to vacate the area during this special interview with just the semi-newly weds (but clearly way behind the babymaking schedule) power duo being interviewed by Tamron.
But apparently instead of waiting a few moments longer, Christine decided she had to leave the set early, temporarily stopping filming. Tamron then mentioned that before Christine returned, Christine had had a conversation with Robyn. After that meeting, Robyn informed Tamron that under no circumstances was she to ask questions about Robyn's pregnancy plans.
Which pretty much put the kibosh on the next segment to be filmed. And as you can see, Robyn's facial expression showed either her displeasure that her segment with Kody was ruined or her discomfort of having to share a set with Christine.
Hmmm...maybe both.....
Which means Princess Christine spared those watching the ordeal of yet another baby saga, this time from Kody and Robyn.
Christine, we salute you for a job well done!
So was there anything else notable from this Tell All?
I think there should be some mention made of Tamron Hall's expressions, some of which were classic...
It was kind of funny since Kody was answering "No" while Robyn answered "Yes."
The question? When Tamron asked Robyn if she was afraid of losing Meri to any new friendships she may find once she goes back to college.
This is her look when Christine said the success of My Sister Wife's Closet was "infinitely important" to the financial success of the Brown Family.
This was her look when Kody, backed up by Robyn, proclaimed that as husband, he was a better business leader for My Sister Wife's Closet because in their religion a wife can not be superior to her sister wives even if her business skills set were better than her husband.
Finally, here's Tamron's look when Kody proudly told her he thought their business presentation for the investors was very professionally put together.
Now, I normally don't discuss sexual matters in mixed company, but I can't resist the urge this time.
During Live Tweets, Kody had mentioned a commercial for Early Response Pregnancy tests. Well, during the broadcast of the "Tell All" show, my cable system had a commercial for a drug named "Osphena" for the relief of painful intercourse after a woman reaches a certain age.
It just seemed rather ironic.
And of course, I have to mention two tweets from Robyn she felt was necessary to help bolster her man Kody's claim of business leader superiority and expertise (not necessarily in that order).
@realkodybrown doesn't like to toot his own horn but honestly he is the most qualified to be CEO of this business! #sisterwives
— Robyn Sullivan Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) July 28, 2014
@realkodybrown worked in business building, PR, advertising and sales his whole working career and was successful. #sisterwives
— Robyn Sullivan Brown (@LuvgvsUwngs) July 28, 2014
If those two tweets aren't the kiss of death for MSWC, I don't know what is.
CJ, thank you for your review. I too thought that Tamryn's expressions were priceless. I wish she would vocalize her feelings. When the interviewer is more interesting than the subjects, the show is in trouble.
ReplyDeleteKody sold billboards. Someone else's content and writing of an advertisement. I agree Kody can sell. He sold his family on a TV show, and continues to "sill" his wives and kids on his hair brained ideas. He see's the big pitcher, right Robyn? The downside to these short and boring episodes is that we don't get a nice lyrical, long review from CJ. There is nothing to write about. period..these people have become boring.
ReplyDeleteLove the pictures! I honestly think Christine was just throwing a fit because she didn't want Robyn & Kody having an interview alone- she's immature and not too emotionally stable. And why is Robyn tweeting about Kody's qualifications to be CEO of the joolery business? Seriously, if he was any good at selling signs they wouldn't have all ended up bankrupt,
ReplyDeleteboston corgi, that is exactly what I think was going on, too. And the reason Robyn was then so obviously PISSED is that she was missing out on the solo-with-her-man, see-how-important-I-am moment on camera.
DeleteOr maybe they wouldn't have gone bankrupt if he didn't have 4 wives and a gazillion children to support.
DeleteBC - I'm with you on the reason Christine walked off. She didn't want Kody and Robyn to have more camera time / a special segment devoted to just the two of them. Jealousy bubbled over.
DeleteJinx and friends,
ReplyDeleteMy husband, who grew up on the fringes of polygamy, recently remarked that I might know more about it than he does.
Sometimes I discuss or summarize what we write about here, and he hears examples and perspectives that were never even considered (and certainly not explained to him as a child) about this 'lifestyle'.
While I think the Brown's are intentionally secretive about the less palatable parts of their religion, I am certainly starting to wonder if the unwillingness and or inability to answer certain questions is BECAUSE there is no logical or solid answer. It seems like the strongest tenant of their religion is 'faith'. Blind faith that tells you to subjugate your own needs because your dad or husband BELIEVES he deserves more, or God loves him best and has a bigger plan for him.
I think much of the silence over the few years is because when posed a theological question, the Brown's realize the reasons behind their choices are illogical if not deeply flawed.
Either way, I appreciate this blog and group of commenters for making me less mystified (and my husband as well) about the shadowy branches on his family tree.
If there is one thing I've learned from plygs, it's that their history is fluid. Their reasoning, actions, and outcomes change depending on the situation at hand, not the actual facts. I think this secrecy is the only true way to keep people involved and complacent. When someone questions them, or starts to believe they deserve more equality and or respect, they're told they just don't understand, it's a trial, or are lacking faith and calling.
So they keep coming back to the 'wise men' to reassure them that they have not made a terrible mistake and that they are part of something bigger...that's why we 'monogs' seem critical, we just lack 'faith'.
Bingo! IMO, a cult mentality pure and simple.
DeleteI wonder if that is with the Mormon's as a whole. The missionaries came to our home one summer. The first set were so nice and we really loved them. They sent them away and the other set were not so friendly. They were really serious about this mission and they were quite harsh. I had done some research and asked questions. They told me I was speaking of things women were not allowed to talk about and told my husband at the time that he was living with a woman who had been taken over by the devil. It was shocking. They absolutely refused to answer the actual questions and attacked my character for asking. Needless to say I am not now a Mormon. It is probably much the same with the fundamentalist as well. A lot of the religion does not make sense.
DeleteI guess Robyn forgot that Janelle is the only adult with any formal education and a degree in accounting. Old "Midas Touch" Brown's job history is littered with a number of short-term crappy jobs that he hated (didn't he talk about working for Schwann Frozen Food and how it was "killing his soul" or something in their book?) and then that one job selling billboards he wasn't doing too well at when he met her. Entire "working career," indeed.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that gunshop in Wyoming he owned that went belly up. Wasn't that the reason for Janelles bankruptcy or was that when he and Meri filed?
DeleteI thought that too annon 5:09 Robyn sat there and dissed women and education with Janelle sitting right there. I wish Janelle would have spoken up since her income did help Robyn and her kids. guess when you fall back on welfare its easy to not have a high oppinion of an educated woman. Kody is the the worst at stereotyping people..
DeleteKody's expression when Tamryn suggested that she was just using Janelle as an example was wonderful. His, contemptuous negative shake of the head, the seething "sure, sure" and the negating hand gesture shows us what he thinks of Janelle's qualifications. I am not "team Janelle," but that made me mad.
DeleteThat right there was an example of Kody's patriarchal attitude towards women and I would say children. The wives pipe up and say they give Kody final say..my aching you know what..why would they have to give it to him? I want to bark orders and have them obeyed! yeah right
DeleteKody doesn't respect women. That has been made clear repeatedly. Come to think of it, he doesn't really respect his kids either. Doubt he respects anyone who isn't Kody.
DeleteAmon 6:43 YES!! That reaction really pissed me off. That turd is an insecure, prideful, little baby boy! I
DeleteAgreed, Anon @ 10:42pm. Kody makes this shockingly clear whenever he discusses an interaction he has had with women on the outside of his religious belief system. For example, this occurred when he and Robyn were at the zoo on their honeymoon and the tour guide was discussing the habits of the lions. Kody was almost mocking her as he recalled the conversation during his solo "couch" time. I was dismayed, but Kody does that same pattern over and again throughout the life of the show.
DeleteTo me it looks like Kody is looking at Christine's abdominal region in that pic of the two of them and Meri... Mmmmmmmmm
ReplyDeleteMeri is smiling like she knows a secret and can't wait to share.
DeleteYou know, that thought crossed my mind a few days ago. What if one of the other wives beat Robyn to the pregnancy line?
DeleteOMG.
DeleteDo you remember what Christine said when Meri finally got pregnant? After years of infertility Meri finally got pregnant and Christine's reaction was anger because she was pregnant and didn't want Meri to "steal her thunder". She is such a selfish b*tch! I could just see her throwing a fit that Kody and Robyn not be allowed to talk about pregnancy because she wants to surprise him by getting pregnant again.
DeleteLooking back at the first episodes it is noticable that Meri had a very nice kitchen. Large and remodeled with pine cabinets and lots of detail and nice counter tops. Janelles was nice also. I think the bankruptcy of Kody and Meri that had a large Home Deot debt was from remodeling the kitchens. Christine's kitchen witch had to accomodate 6 kids was really bad. She got the short end of the stick on that. They keep saying that the first wife dosn't get priority, but the living arrangements said otherwise. Meri had a pretty nice master bedroom with a fireplace too. I bet Christine was thrilled to finally get a new house with new appliances and nice kitchen. She did do most of the cooking. Meri sure goes out of her way to dis Christine on twitter during the shows. Don't they watch these together? Why the need to tweet her unless it is to publicly make a point.
ReplyDeleteI noticed that too, it didn't quite seem fair. The ironic thing is that wasn't Christine the one who had the credit card to Home Depot when she filed her bankruptcy and yet the other wives had the nicer appliances? Either way, I hope Janelle is still pleased with her decision to spend her inheiretance on the Lehi house.
DeleteI figure it this way, the apartments weren't ever equal. Janelle had most of the space as she should since she was the one who had the down payment and probably the one who contributed to the mortgage payments the most. Meri as Wife #1 got the second best and Christine #3 got the worst one. They probably all used that home depot card.
DeleteI always thought the apartments in Lehi were roughly equal in square footage. They were laid out differently, but seemed about the same total area. Meri and Christine each got not only one floor of the far right section of the house but also one floor of the middle. I think they were the same size but with different lay-outs. Janelle's house looked more spacious because one whole floor/section was devoted to a more open planned kitchen/living room. Meri's space was similar because her kitchen/living room were open plan. Christine's looked smaller given placement of the kitchen and walls around it. If Meri did some remodeling, wouldn't surprise me if she used her budget as she'll always have had more disposable income if she got the same amount and had just the one child. And based on how trashed her Vegas rental and new home both got so quickly, I don't think Christine takes very good care of her home.
DeleteThank you for your review! Tamron's facial expressions during the interview were priceless. Good to see she was thinking along the same lines as us here ;)
ReplyDeleteWhat if Robyn's "announcement" is that she can't have anymore babies (prob. doesn't want anymore in this Kody Mess)...... And Christine is actually pregnant?
CJ....GREAT job with doing a review on "nothing". You are truly a magician !!
ReplyDeleteOkay, I am going to say it.....Kody Brown, the Polygamist Extraordinaire is a Fraud !!
For me, after watching this group from day one of the show, I just don't buy that Kody has any religious reasons for having his Plyg harem. He is a blatant, high level narcissist.
A man who even as a teenager was driven to seek and achieve attention, excessive praise and ultimately, notoriety. (which Sobbin delivers in excess as evidenced by the clips CJ has provided in this review)
He wasn't raised a plyg. He went on a religious mission for who knows what legitimate motivation, and upon returning decided that the plyg life was for him. What was the driving force in that decision? I wonder.
Was his need for ego glory not fulfilled enough on that mission so that he looked around and saw the plyg life as his ticket to "personal" and ongoing edification?
No doubt the wives came into it with a combination of an expectation of religious salvation, along with being enthralled by a modern day Svengali.
Janelle is proof of that with her story. Meri too.
Kody does sell himself well with a certain type of woman, obviously.
I think the reason he (they) do not elaborate on their beliefs or on the process of their beliefs is because there really is no solid, traditional foundation. Kody has many wives because he wants and needs that constant day-to-day ego feed. It is convenient *for him* that he can couch it all publicly the form of religious polygamy.
But after four years of watching and listening to him, and to what is said and *not said*.....
It just falls short of credibility. jmo
Kody went on LDS mission because that's what all LDS teenage boys do after high school. He became a polygamist because he wanted to please his mother and prove his manhood to his father.
DeleteI get that he went on the mission as all or most teenage LDS boys do.
DeleteI don't get that his mission steered him to wanting a stable of wives.
His lack of ready, articulate info on his alleged plural wife religion, as is his unwillingness to even discuss it when pressed, leaves big gaps in credibility.
And if he did it to please his mother, which could make for colorful therapy sessions, I wonder which wife's MO most reminds him of her.
As for proving his manhood to someone.....
Given his constant reference and use of "manly"..."man stuff".."man card" etc.....
He seems to need to prove his manhood to *himself*... Is he not sure?
While on his mission his parents made the plunge into polygamy. Then when he returned he started to associate. Technically he didn't become one until he married janelle, years after Meri whose parents became polygamists when she was 5.
DeleteHe converted to the AUB before marrying Merri so while he was techically in a monogamous marriage for a few years they were both fundamentalists Mormons planning on practicing polygamy.
DeleteI still wonder why he isn't more well versed in his chosen religion. He seems to patch together bits and pieces of info which never really give a cogent explanation for what his knows or what he practices, other than the obvious practice of having enough wives to get his own celestial planet.
DeleteWe saw one or two living room "church" services in four years, with a couple of hurried, abbreviated group prayers held outside the cars on a trip...all of which were no doubt for the cameras. (including one living room service where an older daughter refused to be part of the filming, in essence saying it was bogus and she knew it)
Don't want to beat a dead horse here........
I just think Kody Brown needed to do something to feel "special" in his life.
And polygamy works very well to achieve that end.
Had he not been LDS and then AUB, he would have found some other avenue to satisfy his narcissism.
You know what Amused? Kody is a big old mess. I don't doubt he was a f***up when he was LDS, and I'm sure he's still a f***up being AUB.
DeleteI used to work with this Mormon guy. He had just married a woman who had kids from her previous marriage (also Mormon). He worked THREE jobs every day to support his family (one full time, 2 part time). He would only get maybe a good 3 hours of sleep every night. We actually worried sick about this guy because he would FALL ASLEEP WHILE EATING LUNCH - Thank goodness he never fell asleep on the road. We always made sure someone had lunch with him each day. It finally came to the attention of our manager who was concerned - not by his job performance, but by the fact this guy's work/life balance was clearly out of whack. He told her his situation - that he had a wife and kids to support and he would do whatever it took to make ends meet. The sad part was...he refused to allow his wife to work because he felt her job was taking care of their home and kids. I can't tell you how relieved we were when his financial situation stabilized and he didn't need the 2 part time jobs.
My point? Compare my friend with Kody. I doubt very seriously Kody EVER worked 3 jobs in his lifetime, let alone each day. And Kody certainly didn't take being the priesthood holder of his family seriously enough to say to his wives "Your job is taking care of the house and kids". He certainly didn't say that to Janelle who had to drive to work from Lehi to Salt Lake City 5 days a week in a pos car with bald tires and taped up window while Kody cruised down to St George to court Robyn in a $60K sports car!
And don't forget even his own father thought Kody wasn't plural material when he told Janelle she should think about marrying Kody's older brother instead. While I'm at it, also remember how he flamboozled that MLM green goo company. Kody was suppose to become a speaker at their major conventions and he did do a couple, and qualified for his "business" car. But the major speaking gigs never materialized - and he was relegated to speak at homes and small banquet halls in the Apache Junction area. That's feeble.
IMO, I still think Kody is gay and trying to prove he is not! Maybe to parents or himself... who knows? He likes his bro time and most likely would like a little bromance!
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The only thing I disagree with you on CJ is that LIV was "flamboozled". They're an MLM, trust me, they made bank off the Browns. LIV is NOT a high-level MLM like Melaleuca, Isagenix, etc. The only real publicity they got was from the Browns shilling the product. and I just googled them and you know, there's another website for a breast health product that is NOT affiliated with the MLM www.liv.com.
DeleteLIV made money on the Browns and all the people they signed up (even if they quit shortly thereafter). In order to keep their "consultant" status current the Browns more than likely have to buy a certain dollar amount of items each month, if they don't, they don't get the commissions from their downline's purchases. I only saw once, maybe twice, where the Browns did a public speaking gig for LIV. I thought at one point that LIV might have given them the car as a payment for that gig, but now I think otherwise, because I don't think LIV has that much money on their books. I think they just got paid their standard rate, whatever that happens to be.
Remember LIV doesn't own those cars nor does the consultant. They're leased cars...I think since its been, what, three years now, that Kody opted to keep the car and so bought it at the end of the lease. Usually those MLM leases run 2 years, then you turn it in and get another vehicle, or buy it.
CJ, Yeah, there was your co-worker, a good upstanding husband and father dedicated to his family and his religion, and then there is Kody Brown, a lifelong bullshit artist whose main mission in life has proven to be all about *not* producing anything resembling success, except for a horde of children and an unrelenting abundance of hot air.
Delete"But the major speaking gigs never materialized - and he was relegated to speak at homes and small banquet halls in the Apache Junction area. That's feeble. "
Which is why, beyond the windfall of all the $$, getting the Show had to have been achieving Nirvana for Kody. We all have snarked that it is, and always has been, "The Kody Show" since there has not been one freaking episode where there isn't one or more TH scenes with Kody, or the main theme eventually revolves around him.
It has to have been a dream come true for this slug who sees himself at a podium, high up on a stage with all eyes on him !!
TLC gave him the ultimate stage and an audience of millions.
And best or worst of all....he is incapable of seeing how lame he comes off every time he opens his mouth.
will any of them admit adding robyn took more than every 3rd night from them? The reality of a fourth wife on their relationships is obvious. The original three have paid a price for the time and effort given to robyn. It's harder for them to hide the unhappiness.
ReplyDeleteI would be surprised if Robyn really is getting more than ever fourth night with Grody, otherwise why would the Browns be so hesitant to explain Kody's sleep cycle? They know the public would not be ok with that set up and/or it is because Robyn gets more time to try and get pregnant and they don't want to talk about a subject that close to sex.
DeleteRobyn has been a total drain on this family in so many ways.
If Kody isn't spending nights with Robyn and we know he isn't spending them with Janelle because she said she doesn't see him, then where is he? I don't think he likes having all the kids around at Christine's. Is he at Meri's where it's quiet? I'm putting my money on him spending the majority of nights w/Robyn. Gotta populate his planet, ya know. lol
DeleteKind of feeling bad for Robin. She really seems to believe Kody is a success. Open your eyes, you are going to feel very foolish one day.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, JoAnn. I talk a lot of smack about Robyn, but I will give her credit for trying to bring something to the table, money-wise. The feeling I get is that if something happens to King Doofus, then Meri knows she'll be alright, for doesn't Kody have some retirement fund or other set aside? Meri would inherit that, being the only legal wife. Janelle has proven she can take care of herself, and will either real estate a go or find something else. As for Christine? I hope she has family to fall back on, for I honestly don't believe Christine could thrive outside of polygamy. Christine sees herself as a princess...what woman at her age still describes herself as a princess, royal family ties or not? It's crazy.
Deletethe second tweet from her is very telling ' his entire working career'. He is is his mid-forties, he still got years to go. Obviously, he is not working now (guess being CEO is not classified as working). Since she did not come into the family until around the time of the TV show, how does she know how successful he was before? The numerous bankruptcies dont point to his success.
DeleteI can't imagine Kody being entitled to a retirement account. He's proven to be bad with money, has never held a high paying job, and hasn't worked anywhere long enough to be vested in their retirement benefits, and I'm sure has never contributed to IRAs on his own. I think Meri would be SOL (not the child lol) just like the other wives if/when something should happen to Kody.
DeleteI think the family and I am including Janelle in this assessment, had little or nothing in savings. Since Janelle was a state of Utah employee, her salary was on the state's website as public record. (once she left it was taken down). If memory serves it was around $60k or so a year. Even for Utah, while that could probably support a small family, to expect it to stretch far enough to be the primary wage for a family of 16-21 people PLUS be able to put aside more than maybe 1-2% in a 401k...there's just NO WAY. And I don't even think she was working for them all that long. 8 years maybe?
DeleteI remember reading that Janelle had only been working for that job for 4 or 5 years when they left. Which would make sense I guess if they were only in the Lehi house/area for that long and if she'd started that job shortly after she had Savanah. But yeah, I don't think any of the adults have ever made decent money at any previous jobs. I don't expect them to in the future either. They only bought that house in Lehi because Janelle received an inheritance.
DeleteIn the Mormon religion, where do they get the Biblical approval for polygamy? Could someone please cite the actual document? Is this tenet of their faith written down somewhere or is it word of mouth that is passed down to younger generations?
ReplyDeleteKody doesn't love or even like Christine. Christine must sense this and this is why she is so unstable, because her foundation is Kodyboy. Christine is still attractive and good-natured. She could easily find one man willing to make her the center of his life, but she is psychologically trapped.
In the Mormon religion, where do they get the Biblical approval for polygamy?
DeleteYou can read about Mormon Fundamentalism here:
Mormon fundamentalism
Could someone please cite the actual document? Is this tenet of their faith written down somewhere
It's called Doctrine and Covenants. Section 132 pertains to plural marriage. You can read about the history of this document here:
Doctrine and Covenants
Thank you. This is complicated.
DeleteYep, it sure is!!
Delete"Christine is still attractive and good-natured. She could easily find one man willing to make her the center of his life..."
DeleteI tend to disagree with that. She has six children, and maybe it's just me, but I don't think she's all that attractive, nor good natured. But I could be wrong.
I think Meri could have found someone who would have made her happy and had a good life still when this show first started, Christine or Janelle, not so much. Meri only has 1 kid with Grody, wanted to finish college, and was in ok shape at the beginning of the series. Heck, even Robyn could have done better than Kody in the beginning. 6 kids and no career skills is not appealing. The ship has sailed for all of these ladies.
DeleteIt's not just you, DJ. And I get the feeling Christine's one daughter, the overdramatic younger one, is going to be just like her.
DeleteJasmine, which overdramatic younger one do you mean? I think 2 of Christine's girls seem overdramatic - both Gwendolyn and Truely. Ysabel seems like a much calmer personality. In fact I remember finding Christine's description interesting in that episode a few seasons back she Ysabel "moved into" Meri's house. She talked about how well Ysabel and Meri got along and that Ysabel liked being at Meri's house because for several reasons including "there's rules she has to follow…" I think Christine's house is very chaotic and noisy and that Christine is overly dramatic in a way that probably annoys Ysabel at times. I was glad to hear Christine discuss her headaches and demonstrate some sympathy to Ysabel and a real effort to keep things calm when she's around. Ysabel clearly loves her mother and Christine clearly lover her; but I think their personalities and approaches to life are pretty opposite and it's taken conscious effort to accommodate each other.
DeleteAlso, just want to say that I think Ysabel gets prettier an prettier each year.
But it was Ysabel fooling around during prayers that set off Garrison on the RV trip. She doesn't seem to have such a calm personality to me, even if she is all of 10 years old!
DeleteI still maintain that the walk-off drama was misconstrued. TLC wanted to find some excuse to ban pregnancy questions and preserve the cliffhanger. Christine just looked like she needed to pee. Kody was smiling and offering to help with her microphone. If she were leaving due to Robyn and Kody's baby-making, the Kodster would've been giving her his Charlie Manson eyes.
ReplyDeleteAll season long, fans have been complaining on TLC's Sister Wife's Facebook that the season has been dull and boring. TLC used Christine's bathroom break to keep Robyn's cliffhanger going and generate more fake drama. Now, fans are wondering why Christine walked off, instead of complaining about the boring season,
As for Robyn's facial expressions, I'm not convinced she was angry. She looked more constipated than anything else. We know that Robyn has a history of bizarre facial expressions. I suspect chronic intestinal discomfort.
As an aside, did anyone else notice Kody's condescending sneer when Tameron suggested that Janelle might have more business skills to run MSWC? I suspect that is the motivation behind Robyn's cheerleading text that Kody is most qualified.
Oh, he's got Charlie Manson eyes....thanks for that; very funny. Good point as well.
DeleteCynical Jinx--awesome review, highlighting the faces of Tamron--a real pleasure to read and excellent point in reference to Christines's previous exit.
(someone recently mentioned Christine's adolescent use of the English language...I notice myself saying "awesome" more than my higher self thinks is cool...grew up in the awesome 80's...it really is such an awesome word or so thinks my internal adolescent self...but your review was...awesome)
She, Kody and Robyn all use childish phrases. Honestly, I'm so tired of hearing the phrase "you rock", "she rocked", "he's going to rock", and "rock star". ESPECIALLY during their self- review of the business pitch to the capital vultures.
DeleteMeri wipes a tear from her eye (real or not) when the other wives are talking. She does this a lot. It's her way of expressing upset when the topic is not her. Its strange body language She seemed subdued the whole time. They all seemed off.
ReplyDeleteThank you, thank you, thank you CJ on those awesome screen shots of Christine during season one and the tell all. Also I love the commentary, "But you can tell from her eyes, something is going on inside her head, and she's about to explode." Yes, sometimes Christine does have thoughts.
ReplyDeleteI agree that all this drama is all just a way to keep viewers hooked to watch their next season, they have no credibility. They are not authentic and they lack integrity. When I first started watching SIster Wives I really did want to know how women could share a man. After four plus seasons, this was never answered and won't be by the Browns. Why, because they never talk about anything beyond the surface.
ITA. It has been five seasons and the "burning" issues have been buying McMansions, parties, and Kody's hair. Really? I don't really care about my own neighbor's living arrangements, parties, and hair. Why would I care about an unattractive misogynist and four weeping co-dependents.
DeleteMy Five Wives looks more authentic. We are far more likely to have our polygamy questions answered there and on the superficial Brown circus.
*than, not and. I have to stop typing on my phone lol
DeleteI'm with you, Eeeeeewwww. When the hostess stated something to the effect that no questions were off the table during this last so-called "tell-all", and then to see Kody's reaction to a simple question re the wives private time with him, made me feel this episode was falsely advertised. Anything and everything that pertains to the adult Browns' private time is off the table. Granted, I would give them that space during the first season or two, and I certainly don't want to go as far as what the Kodster's favorite sexual position is, but not to answer some of these questions pertaining to private time at this late date in the show's lifespan is opening the Browns' up to being yanked off the TLC schedule, and being replaced by a family that will. This coyness is growing old, and wearing thin, seeing as how Meri and Kody just LOVED Logan's half-naked selfies taken recently.
DeleteI thought it really sounded like Christine needed to get up and use the bathroom. It didn't really seem like storming off.
ReplyDeleteThat's all I thought it was, too. A simple bathroom break and Tamron didn't understand why she couldn't wait a few minutes since they were going to break anyway to do Kody and Robyn's private interview.
DeleteIn the moment, it almost seemed that way, but if she just needed a pee break, it would be a ridiculous stretch for Tamron to then include a big explanatory voice over. A real pee break would be edited out. Yes, while Tamron's that could be a bunch of fake-i-fied drama, we still have Christine tweeting that she got up and left due to an emotional reaction to something. I'm leaning toward thinking that it was Christine's usual adolescent posturing over the parts of plural marriage that should no longer be any big deal. These women adore the idea that polygamy "rubs off all your rough edges," but from the outside, it just appears to rub their psyches raw, such that they never quite heal.
DeleteI wonder if Kody has flashbacks when he sees christine eat.
ReplyDeleteKody needs to take a look at the video clip on TLC Danielle's Tough Questions and watch Robyn attach her chow mein. She puts her hand over her glass of water in such a strange way while grabbing it to take a drink. At the same time Christine bends her head, kinda crazy looking, to drink her water. Both of their table manners are scary. If he was grossed out by Christine's nachos, he will be grossed out by his "wives" lovely table manners. This is my favorite clip of all Sisterwives.
DeleteHey annon 8:20am i was trying to remember what episode that was. Very strange indeed. Christine is trying to hide her eating under her hair. Robyn? tables manners of a child. Those noodles got the best of her. Kody asked Meri if the trainer Bill had "talked to them about soda"
Deleteand she said "not today" They went on and on about how they were able to choose salad at a buffet the downed high sugar soda
I didn't see Christine's behavior as that strange. it didn't appear to me that she was trying to hide her food or her eating. I thought it just looked like their straws were only a little higher than the drinks and she leaned down to take a drink. She could have use a hand to raise the straw, but I didn't think what she did was that bad. And even Robyn, who I really don't like, just seemed a little sick-to-her-stomach. I felt bad for her. She was pregnant and was in a restaurant so there would have been a mix of food smells. She did have a little moment with the plate of noodles, but I doubt there are any of us who have never had something unplanned happen in a meal. I just don't think this scene was that big of a deal. There are so many other things to be annoyed at about this family, this stuff just doesn't make it anywhere near the top of my list for them!
DeleteFor some strange reason I think Christine is the one who is pregnant and she is TIRED of everyone assuming it is Robyn. I think they probably are very desperate to come back for another season so that was her way of gaining some interest...........or curiosity.............or something................
ReplyDeletePersonally for me it will take much more than another baby being born into their family to bring me back to another season...............I only watched about 1/2 of this one.........their life is as boring as mine so I darn sure don't want to waste my time watching it!
You know, Crimson, that crossed my mind, too. Christine has miscarried, so she would be very reluctant to announce a pregnancy if it were in the early stages. To have to endure Kody and Robyn having a segment of family-planning talk all to themselves on the Tell All would be bad enough; it would be even more difficult if she herself were pregnant and keeping it quiet.
DeleteBut wasn't it Christine that had a smile on her face when Aspyn called Kody to ask if Sobbin was PG??? I think no one is PG and they are trying to hold on to the ratings.....
DeleteI could see Christine getting pregnant again, it would be her excuse to not have to work for another 10 years or so. And then her excuse would be that she has to watch the grandbabies.
DeleteI don't think anyone is pregnant either. I lost respect for Robyn's "big secrets" after she had a group discussion with her kids about her V card. The show trumped that up and the whole thing was just strange. Maybe her cookie has been restored again?
DeleteI found the fact that Robyn uses past tense in her tweet about Kody's success during his "whole working career" very telling. I guess we're not the only ones that realize he doesn't work anymore.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I was creeping on Robyn's pinterest last night and creeping is the correct term because I was completely creeped out by the things she pinned on boards for her kids. Most everything for the girls had something to do with modesty and pre-marital sex with lots of mention of monogamy (of course that only goes one way in her world) and most of Dayton's board was pins about Asperger's / Autism. I can't imagine defining everything about your son by a diagnosis but then again I don't have experience with that.
I think she pins on pinterest the things she thinks her followers want or expect to see. Her "private " pinterest accounts are a lot different I'd imagine.
DeleteDoes she pin anything for Solomon?
DeleteYeah she has a Solomon board but nothing really grabbed my attention on it.
DeleteShe has a board for Solomon. My favorite pin from her is something about date nights being cheaper than a divorce lawyer. Like she and Kody would need a divorce lawyer!
DeleteJust goes right along with the delusion.
DeleteDivorce lawyer for her adulterous marriage, hahhahahahaha, maybe it was meant for Meri.
DeleteEvery time I think of Sol and Robyn - I remember that one ep where they were all having some sort of stupid party (again) and Robyn made a toast dedicated to Sol and his future life with "his LOVES" (where she stressed the plural).
DeleteOMG it would be so awesome if Sol turned out to be 1) gay or 2) decided to be celibate.
Cliff hanger or not, I'm tuning in to the next season as I'm waiting for the financial implosion. For the love of God, they better have the camera's rolling when they are told they aren't getting a next season, and it better be televised!
ReplyDeleteI honestly think Sobbin keeps miscarrying. I think her big annoucement was going to be that she was PG and she was going to announce it, but miscarried again. So they had to think of something else. Otherwise, TLC and the Klowns look *really* dumb with the season ending. It makes no sense.
Either way, I'm hanging around for the meltdown........
I was thinking miscarriage too. She posted about angel babies or something like that around the holidays this year. She is looking haggard and not well, so that would explain it. Don't know why Christine would have to get up and leave though. Maybe because it reminded her of her own miscarriages?
DeleteMaybe they are both pregnant and Christine didn't think it fair to give Krody and Sobbin special time because she is pregnant as well.
DeleteI have a lot of questions about Christine's mom. I haven't read their book, nor have I watched the most recent seasons. I remember early on Christine said she grew up in the perfect polygamy family. But now I read her mom "divorced" her dad and left the religion. Say what?! Where can I get more info on all of this? Like, when did this happen, how did Christine handle it, how does her mom feel about Christine being a polygamist, etc? I am absolutely fascinated by this turn of events. Have they addressed this on the show? Is Christine still close to her mom? Anyone have answers or know where I can find them?
ReplyDeleteChristine talks about it being the worst thing that ever happened to her in the Mother's Day episode. She said she never saw it coming and thought her mom was happy. She said the same thing about her aunt Her "rose colored lenses" must be thick! She also said she didn't let her mom see her kids for a long time because she was afraid her mom wasn't "safe," and that her mom didn't go to her wedding.
DeleteShe never saw Robyn coming either.
DeleteAlso Christine's mom looks so young I wonder how old she was when she had Christine
DeleteAlso Christine's mom looks so young I wonder how old she was when she had Christine
DeleteI suppose we could figure it out. According to Christine (from the book I believe) her mother was only SIXTEEN when she got married to Christine's dad.
why do they all have to pile into an rv to film them getting together? are road trips the only time this family is in close proximity to each other? I think Kody's desire to raise the kids as siblings is good, but it seems its the wives that cant get along. the tell all was very downcast and weird
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling they spend very little time together as a whole family. Other than groups of the kids hanging out together regularly, I'll bet some of them rarely see each other and certainly not as one big unit.
DeleteOn the episode.where.Kody goes shopping with all his mother in laws.... was that not Christine's real mom? Was it a bonus mom?
ReplyDeleteNot that was her real mom. She left her husband and the AUB around the time Christine graduated from high school. We haven't met anyone's "bonus moms" except Kody's/Janelle's, but that's only because Janelle's mom is Kody's dad's third wife.
Deletewas that not Christine's real mom?
DeleteThe woman in that episode was Christine's real mom. Just want to clarify...
Cliffhangers? Yawn. I don't care at all about what could-or could not-be happening in Robyn's uterus, or with her hobby business. Anyone who has taken an intro to business class could tell her glaringly obvious things she is doing so wrong with MSWC, yet she chooses to keep plucking along. Putting Kody in charge? This is the blind leading the blind. Kody is a scam artist at best, and the public is not buying it. The entire VC story line was so fake, it almost hurt. For starters, why aren't they dressed properly? When asking for $2.5 million, have a little respect and be professional! Put on a suit (dress pants and a brightly colored cropped blazer are NOT professional), take off the costume jewelry, and get your hair out of your face. I would have left the meeting 10 minutes in, personally.
ReplyDeleteLOL!! For someone who doesn't care you seem to know a lot about the show!
DeleteANYONE with any common sense would know how to make a better impression than the Clown crew did.
Delete"ANYONE with any common sense would know how to make a better impression than the Clown crew did."
DeleteAgree !!! Common sense and just a bare minimum of class.
I think Christine is pregnant and Robyn's PO'd because it means Kody is still having sex with Christine.
ReplyDeleteI love the flashback of their presentation where janelle says they'll pay the incestors back in full in 2017. I laughed so hard. Seriously? 2017? NO ONE will know who they are by then. Their show will be long gone and so will the TLC money, no one will be buying their jewelry and they won't have a dime to pay those investors back. These people are delusional!
ReplyDeleteI laughed about that too. I also LOL when they were talking about their marketing plans. Their sole marketing strategy/plan has been the show - pure and simple. Without TLC their marketing is nonexistent.
DeleteRemember when Robyn was almost gleeful about the fact that a pregnancy is a physical manifestation of a physical relationship with Kody and how that might bug the other wives? Well, wonder how she will feel about another wife being pregnant if so.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, Robyn always likes to go on an on about how awful life was with her ex, David. Then how awful life was post-David until King Kody came along.
However, she looked youthful and healthy and bright-eyed in all her pictures that she puts out there pre-Kody. Even in the very beginning of the show (Season 1), she looked happy. However, NOW, after some time with the Browns, where she says she's right where she always wanted to be in life. Now after living "the high life" for a while, she is aging fast, has gained tons of weight comparatively, and she has lost that brightness in her eyes. She looks more unhappy now than she ever did before in any of her pictures despite her saying the contrary.
To me, she doesn't look much different in her high school pictures then she does in all of her pics with David and right after David. Now? with Kody? Not so much.
I wonder if polygamy isn't all its cracked up to be.
DeleteAlso, having your entire life under scrutiny by the entire country has got to be taking a toll. She knows she isn't well liked by viewers. She is also probably getting a lot of pressure about her lack of having more children. I am glad she hasn't had more children. That family is falling apart at the seams and it's pretty unfair to bring more children into it.
Agreed, she looks like she's aged 10 years in the past 4. Living with the Browns has not been good for her. It was so obvious this season that Robyn is unhappy and not feeling well. Meri's looks and face have changed so much from season 1 too.
DeleteIn all fairness, Robyn was.only 19 or 20 when Dayton was born. I think she wears harsher and thicker make up now which makrs her look older.
DeleteYes, but we have also seen pics of her with her 2 girls when they were babies and after her divorce. Then we have seen her back in season 1. Not much difference despite all those years. Now? A world of difference and it's not that great.
DeleteI ALMOST feel sorry for her because I think she had bought into the idea AUB sold her. That polygamy would solve all her problems and be extrememly rewarding. Now she sees that she's pretty much still a single mom and that money will be bad once again in the future when TLC is out of the picture. Plus, she's probably miserable sharing her man and having the other wives and kids hate her.
I went thru Robyn's pintrest out of curiosity. She has pinned a lot and writes captions for many of the products it seems she buys. She does like to shop online for sure, and has even been sold crap at airports by complete strangers. It makes me wonder then how the website could be so lacking in product if she spends time on other sites buying crap. Her language skills are so poor and she uses words opposite of their meaning. Maybe she is learning impaired or just uneducated. She puts herself out there that is for sure..she calls herself..misunderstood..yikes
ReplyDeleteOk... I've been changing my mind after reading some of the opinions here and was wondering about if maybe Christine was pregnant. Now, in that Twitter picture of Kody and Christine at a KISS concert or event, with their neighbors (I think that's who they are, I'm not sure) Deirdre and Bill (?), she kind of looke pregnant, at least to me. She looks really good, her face looks thinner, but the middle part, it almost looks as if she is pregnant. Could it be?
ReplyDeleteYou know what?
DeleteI think what was televised on the Tell All was a reenactment of Christine walking off the set. That's why she's smiling like a Cheshire cat (bad actress). That would also explain Robyn's very sour face as Christine unplugged her microphone. She already knew Christine had ruined her segment.
It would be craziness for a woman of Christine's medical history to try for another baby...but Meri and Janelle didn't expect her to get pregnant after her miscarriage, either. And she did.
I'm agreeing with you, Frida. Maybe Christine is pregnant and when she had her talk with Robyn told her if Tamron discussed her baby plans with Kody, then they would need to discuss Christine's baby plans, too. And if Robyn had a miscarriage but Christine was still pregnant...well, you can see how that would elevate Christine's worth as a wife (already giving birth to 6 Kody's spirit children, now pregnant with #7) above Robyn (only bearing 1 child and frankly being a pain in the butt). Also remember Robyn stated that she would not get pregnant again while breastfeeding Sol. Maybe she waited a little too long...
But I think Kody is courting a 5th...it's a pattern he's set.
Just my speculation.
I think Kody courting a 5th is the last hope for this show. Or one of the wives leaving him.
DeleteWhatever the real story is on the Christine caper, and doubtful the truth about it will ever be told, TLC was in cahoots with whatever went down. And Tamron had to be too, despite her "surprised" look.
DeleteIf it was just a situation where a person on camera needed to break the action...for whatever reason...filming would stop, then restart up and the editing elves would do their handiwork later. The fact that they chose to leave in that bizarre bit has "contrived" all over it.
The show is in serious trouble, and not necessarily for lack of ratings as much as a fatal lack of content.
If no one is pregnant, where does that leave them for next season after the botched up cliffhanger?
And please, if there was/is a miscarriage...please, TLC, do not think that showing film on that will be a ratings grabber !! Duggers have already done it, and the response was not good !!
And if someone is pregnant, can they really expect that to carry the show...again?
If the Junks Jools is a bust, where do they go with that? Film an "Everything Must Go" episode?
If more kids will graduate from HS and plan college, will that be enough of a news item capable of sustaining ratings? No, it won't !
If there is continued dissension between wives, isn't that now just expected and no longer earth shattering or interesting?
If Kody continues to be the Village Idiot, why would that be worth watching?
And if the plan is for Kody to take a fifth wife, wouldn't that be like watching a car wreck that you saw already happen at the previous intersection?
The show is now hollow and redundant. Can't imagine what will be conjured up for another season, but the producers and script writers had better get busy.
Oh, I also think that Robyn is no longer Meri's favorite and Kody doesn't favor her as much anymore.
ReplyDeleteI think Meri and Christine have gotten closer and that Kody and Chrisitne have gotten closer too.
I don't think that Robyn is Kody's favorite anymore either. Meri and Robyn must have had a falling out sometime before or during the filming of this season. Remember when they unfollowed each other on Twitter?
DeleteI know a lot of people keep saying it didn't look like Christine was upset, but personally, I think she got upset early in to the interview. There were many mini-moments where Christine looked like she was trying to not think about something that was bothering her, but it kept showing on her face. I don't know-- I think it started happening after Robyn referenced Kody calling her "sweetheart".. is it possible that she is so sensitive that even a reference to Kody being kind to Robyn could upset her??
ReplyDeletePerhaps Robyn's "sweetheart" reference did upset Christine. Perhaps it is because that not only is she pregnant with the ingrate's child, but Christine knows that, no matter how many kids she has, Kody will never be in love with her, and is deeply in love with Robyn, pregnant or not. It really is a sad situation.
DeleteSome random sporadic observations:
ReplyDelete- Robyn, you think Tamron's dress is cute.....Arn't the sleeves a bit too short for your liking?
- Robyn, you think Kody is a great salesman....Ohhhhhh yes, I do believe you are right on that one!
- These kids are not going to be polygamist.....period, They just don't like what they have seen with their moms.
- If Christine is going to risk her health and the health of a baby for ratings....well then get in line with Mrs. Duggar Christine and take the punches from the public. I recall Jenelle AND Christine say they were done having children on a talk show.
- This was not a "Live" interview....they could have easily edited out some of the garbage that went on.
Reelin' us In..
I didn't see anyone else mention this and I thought it pulled the curtain back a bit....
ReplyDeleteSo after the common "5th wife" question, Kody is explaining why he wont ever take a 5th wife. He said something to the extent of "If I have a wife who is telling me, 'I never see you. I need more time with you.' Then I think it wouldn't work." Tameron asked "which wife has said that?" Kody looked visibly upset and when pushed he said he doesnt have cameras in his bedrooms. Surprisingly, Tameron has some balls and trumped Kody and asked the wives "Any of you wives willing to say who said that?" Poor Christine was scared as hell...you can see it all over her face. It was CLEARLY Christine who isn't getting Kody's time. Robyn looks away as she knows who it is, and that SHE is the one taking Christine's time. But like a CLASS ACT Jenelle says that she, infact, was the one who said that. She was obviously covering for Christine who you could tell was feeling hurt. Janelle took the heat because she knew 1) Christine was hurt 2) that this topic needed to end and that Kody was starting to open up too much.
Anyone else notice that?
No, I didn't see it that way. I thought they all got awkward just because the whole thing is awkward. And after Kody's big "I won't answer that!" reaction I think the wives were uncomfortable jumping in to answer it anyway. And ultimately, once Janelle did acknowledge it, they all acknowledged it, either verbally and with a head nod or in Robyn's case with just a head nod. I don't think it's just Christine, I think they are all PO'd. Rightfully so. What a sad life.
DeleteAnon. 12:10 I agree, all four wives acknowledged that they have complained that Kody does not give them enough time. I can imagine that they truly feel that way. I have my husband all to myself. I still feel that I want more time with him. It's not that he doesn't care, but life gets in the way. I cannot imagine getting only 25% of the time that we do share together.
DeleteAnd yet Kody's tagline is still, "love should be multiplied, not divided." How can anyone be foolish enough to think his love is multiplied? Clearly it's very unevenly divided among his wives and kids. It is SO NOT one big happy family! (insert rolling eyes here)
DeleteBW - If that is true (and it might just be), then that is one of the main reasons Janelle irks me. Why must she ALWAYS take one for the team? Stop being a doormat, get some self esteem and make the rest of those grifters get a job.
DeleteI'm so tired of the women complaining about lack of time with Kody and then watching him sit there while his ego inflates. What did they expect when they signed up to share 1 insipid guy between 4 families?
DeleteI am getting tired of the complaining myself, particularly about the lack of time they get with Kody. This is why the wives feel they are so much more special than monogamists? Please.
DeleteHow do you think the kids feel when they never get enough time with their dad? This is a man who has 14 biological kids who at one point was driving over 3 hours each way to visit his girlfriend. The wives signed up for this, not the kids. If Grody really isn't spending time equally with each wife, it is up to the wives to put an end to it, get a boyfriend of their own to spend time with, or walk away. However, these women have such low self-esteem or IQ levels that they never will do anything but complain.
The tell all prior to this one ended with Kody and Robyn talking about Sol still sleeping in Robyn's bed. Robyn was sitting next to Kody giggling and brushing against him. If I recall, they were asked something about more babies. The other wives looked uncomfortable. Meri wiped her eyes. I felt bad for the three.
ReplyDeleteKody and Robyn were both completely obnoxious during that last tell all. I think Robyn got a lot of backlash at home and from the viewers. I expect that's why she was relatively silent this time around. It wasn't just after Christine's walk off. Robyn was very toned down and muzzled the whole time compared to every other Q&A show, Tell All or interview. Maybe she's finally got the message?
DeleteI believe Meri reads this blog and that's why her demeanor has changed somewhat this season. She's still Debbie Downer, but you can tell she's more cautious about how she comes across. I bet they've all read (and probably have posted) here.
DeleteI wonder if Robyn has Sol still sleeping in the bed so she doesn't have to knock boots with Kody as much and that's why he is not looking so happy with her these days?
DeleteA while back CJ mentioned that HBO was rerunning "Big Love" and asked if we could see similarities too between the Henricksons and Browns.
ReplyDeleteThere have been issues that popped up. Most noticeably Margene character and Robyn selling jewelry. The show is now up to a moment I forgot about: first wife Barb agreeing to divorce Bill after 20 years, so he could marry annoying Wife #2 Nicki, so they can adopt her daughter from a previous marriage. Makes me wonder "wow, that would get them another season if Meri would actually agree to a divorce so Robyn became the legal wife and she and Kody adopt her kids." Meri would never be gracious enough to so that, but I can sure see Robyn campaigning for it should NV state that only married couples can adopt the same child. Goes back to why or how Brianna called herself "Brianna Brown." Was Kody able to adopt them and did bio dad give up his rights? Doubt it.
K in CA
Jay Jay was dead. Only that was a secret that they knew Jay Jay had been burned alive by Nikki's mom with another sister wife as well as all the genetic experimentation growing a master race of their clan. That is why the government found inbreeding even though the family trees didn't suggest it. It's why Wanda's babies died. Nikki marrying Bill did not result in an adoption. And in this case their father is alive. I'm sure they consider Kody the dad in the next life. A woman can only be sealed once. Sol wouldn't be sealed to David. Children are sealed to the mother. The entire thing is goofy. In the show Barb still managed to be named guardian of Carolyn in case anything happened to Nikki. The legal marriage was not necessary to having someone be guardian when they could not find Jay Jay. I'm surprised the cult didn't have some paper document from Jay Jay made up to join her to her hubby Toby like Adelaine did to get Rhonda out of the shelter coming with cops and permission from Rhonda's legal parents to take her into custody. How on earth wasn't Carolyn taken back into custody of the cult to be with Toby? How on earth did Roman let his grand daughter stay with Jay Jay?
DeleteThe legal marriage was not necessary to having someone be guardian when they could not find Jay Jay
DeleteYou're right, but the writers always portrayed the legal wife as the wife with power and status(with the exception of Adaleen of course). That's why Bill's mother Lois wanted to be made the first wife of Bill's father Frank Harlow - it was the status of being first wife that she wanted and felt she deserved.
Nicki Grant also always wanted to be a "boss lady" and eventually, the writers found a way to make that desire a "reality" for her. Of course, by the last episode, she learned that she still needed her sister wives, particularly former first wife Barb, to make her "whole" and who were there to support her after Bill met his untimely demise.
How on earth wasn't Carolyn taken back into custody of the cult to be with Toby?
That's simple to answer. The writers had other plans for Cara Lynn, mainly showing her being mainlined into normal society in order to have an affair with her math teacher. Plus it didn't hurt that her uncle was now the Prophet.
How on earth did Roman let his grand daughter stay with Jay Jay?
That's easy to answer, too: In order for Nicki to be released from her marriage to JJ she had to forfeit her daughter. Roman then used Nicki (with Nicki's knowledge and approval) as collateral for a business loan Bill needed to expand his business. Kind of like, if you take Nicolette off my hands I'll bankroll your expansion. So Bill accepted Nicki as a nursemaid for cancer stricken Barb and then made her wife #2 once Barb fully recovered. And Roman always threw this fact into Nicki's face whenever she appeared to be rebelling against his authority.
Jay Jay was dead.
I love the actor that portrayed JJ. Zeljko Ivanek is a superb actor no matter what crap he's given. The season he appeared on Big Love, he was also in True Love, and about 3 other tv series. I was disappointed he didn't last long on Big Love but I loved the short time he was on the show.
The entire thing is goofy.
Primetime cable telenovelas like Big Love usually are. That's what makes them fun to watch!
oops, my bad. True Love should be True Blood !!!
DeleteWe all agree that Meri will never let anyone take her legal first wife status, but what would happen if Meri were to die? I think Christine and Robyn would have a fight to the death over who got to legally marry Kody, meanwhile Kody would find a new wife to make legal.
DeleteI think if Meri died he'd marry Janelle for two reasons. 1) to inherit more of his father's estate (remember Janelle's mother is one of Kody's father's widows). 2) because Janelle would be most likely to earn money and if he ever divorced her he could claim alimony or 1./2 of her property in a settlement. Christine and Robyn are so "in love" with Kody they'd hang on no matter what. If Robyn peeled off he could always get another younger fertile concubine.
DeleteI still think that Christine is the one that is pregnant. First of all, Kody is sitting by her and during one part of the interview, she grabbed a pillow that was beside her and she leaned forward to put the pillow behind her back and Kody helped her putting the pillow in the small of her back. That scene is very telling. Christine has had six kids and she isn't young and you know if there is one thing that could be bothering her and causing her extreme physical discomfort is sitting there for a length of time. Her face doesn't match her belly and I know Janelle's face is thin and her belly is huge, but Janelle's huge belly is, I am certain, from carrying so much weight in her midsection so that the skin has stretched and now, probably, just hangs. Christine also seems to be one of the wives who would get pregnant to get more Kody time and having her pregnancy kept a secret is in her best interest. That conversation about is or isn't Robyn pregnant that Christine had with her daughter was also very telling. Both seemed to be a little too eager to know if Robyn is pregnant and both smiling from ear to ear so maybe Christine can talk about is she or isn't she because she, herself, is. Robyn may have early onset of menopause and could be having problems getting pregnant. Some women do begin the hormone decreases in their late 30s, I did, and that could be another reason why she is even more sour that before...can you imagine if out of all four wives, she was the first to really hit perimenopause and skipped a few periods and went to the doctor and the doctor said, oh, no, you are not pregnant, you have begun menopause. That happened to me and while I was delighted that at 38 I wasn't pregnant, hearing that I was beginning menopause was not the best news I could have gotten. In fact, I said, are you sure I don't have a tumor. LOL.
ReplyDeleteThat would be ironic if Christine was pregnant and Robyn was in early menopause. Wouldn't things in the compound be entertaining then! I would actually watch another season of that.
DeleteYou know what else lends credence to this theory? Christine was definitely not just getting up to go to the bathroom. She quite clearly says "I have to get up and walk around for a bit." So obviously it is the sitting itself which is bothering her. It would also explain Robyn's sour expression whilst Christine was un-miked and Christine's fairly jolly demeanor, as the sub-text would have been:
Delete"I have to walk around because Kody had SEX with me and got me PREGNANT."
I think Christine is pregnant and Robyn is pissed because she is not.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite part of Robyn's pinterest is her tagline at the top: "Mom! wife! Business owner! I am misunderstood a lot. I am very good at relationships. I give my all to the people I love and who love me."
ReplyDeleteShe's misunderstanding she's not good at relationships.
DeleteWho the hell has to proclaim they are good at relationships? That's like a pre-teen thing to say.
DeleteI didn't know divorced women who alienate everyone they come into contact with and who date married men are very good at relationships, hmmmmm.
DeleteOy, you said it, Anon 2:43. Going into a public space and claiming to be misunderstood is terribly pathetic. Woman up, Robyn! You only make yourself look weaker and pissier if you try explaining yourself in an attempt to garner pity. Do you really want the general public thinking of you as "poor, poor Robyn"? What the hell happened to She-Rah? (Tip number 2: never mention She-Rah.)
DeleteHey Robyn, someone with a track record containing a divorce is not what I'd call good with relationships. LOL Here's a clue Robyn, someone who knows they're misunderstood a lot needs to look at themselves and ask the question why; what is it about me that others so often misunderstand my intentions or actions or words? The problem lies with you, not everyone else.
DeleteOK, I'm not very Pinterest savvy. How do you find her on Pinterest?
DeleteSnarkaholic, she is on pinterest as Robyn Sullivan Brown. I also found Christine Brown.
DeleteThanks Meg!
DeleteMeri Brown is on Pinterest too. Just thought you would like to know.
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Have Meri and Janelle ever sat next to each other on the couch? Just curious since they switched the "teams" a bit during the Tell-Nothing. On most episodes, you can sense the underlying team structure --- Why is it always Janelle and Christine vs Meri and Robyn (and Kody)? That picture, which we see constantly, does nothing to promote the unity and "awesomeness" of sisterhood of polygamy that we're supposed to see.
ReplyDeleteYes, they sat together on the last Tell All. On the opposite couch Kody sat between Christine and Robyn.
DeleteI always figured they didn't sit together because Janelle & Christine had issues with Meri. Since it looks like Robyn's honeymoon phase with Meri is also over it's probably time to ditch the couches and have evenly spaced chairs for the interviews! Not such a big happy plyg family when these women obviously need separate houses, separate kitchens, separate chairs, etc.
DeleteOh, for the love of mock Tapioca... I just wandered over to MSWC and looked at the watches for sale. Fugly beyond belief. I mean WHO would wear them? They look like something you'd win as a prize in a carnival game or something. They are totally over done - over the top - and not in a good way. Now that the VC money sham has been exposed (it ain't happening folks) and we know that Meri has decided to go back to school to get a degree that may or may not net her a job and from what we've heard Janelle is a figurehead at the real estate company but not selling many homes (or any homes?) what's going to become of the family once the show goes off the air? We aren't hearing about any big profits from their green goo biz and the jewelry can't possibly go anywhere with inventory like it has. Kody will run the pooter joolry business (probably to avoid having to get a real job again). It's too bad if they're having trouble finding employment - but maybe they shouldn't have moved to a state with high unemployment and no social network. Next thing we'll hear they'll have taken jobs in a casino out of desperation (since their religion is kind of an illusion anyway). Just snarking here - but I get so sick of the grifters trying to get viewers to buy their garbage (green goo, joolry, patronize the real estate agency etc...) Doesn't TLC have any concept of their audience? Hard working people who really don't take a shine to opportunistic fame whores. There I said it. All 4 of the women and the biggest celebrity wanna be of them all - Kodouche.
ReplyDeleteThe watches are available on amazon for six bucks..or a three pack for twelve. All of it is overpriced. They are going to have to sell a ton of those to support a family that big. They are so ugly its beyond words. Geneva does make some decent styles but the Brown's have manged to pick the ugliest ones available.
DeleteThe watches I saw on Amazon had a round face. The watches sold on MSWC are square faced unisex and waterproof. I couldn't find them on Amazon at all.
DeleteSo Anon 5:42, are you saying they are selling knock-off Geneva watches..i.e. fake? Regardless, they are buying their surplus in bulk and reselling it on their website. Hats, watches, scarves...etc..
DeleteAnon @ 5:42, the last time I looked at MSWC Geneva watches they had round faces and were identical to Amazon's. I wonder if MSWC has recently changed inventory and are now carrying different styles.
Delete"It's too bad if they're having trouble finding employment - but maybe they shouldn't have moved to a state with high unemployment and no social network."
DeleteMy gawwwd woman, did you expect them to think ahead?! These are the Browns, they don't think ahead or plan! They just react to whatever current emotion Kody is experiencing and then assume that his Midas touch will make everything turn out just the way he expects! Logical thinking and being responsible is for monogamists--it's so boring!
I love how they're labeled "women watches."
DeleteCj, bless you, you really tried to make lemonade from this episode ( the whole season, really) but it is obvious that there is just nothing left. I love to read the posts and occasionally, add a comment. The posters on here keep me coming back but even those creative and clever posters have nothing to say. Is Christine/Robyn pregnant? Who really cares? Is kody a good business man, nope. Is he a narcissist? Clearly. Does he respect women? Heck no! That is clear from the way he interacts with every woman in his life from his mom (exists to please him), his wives (exist to bolster his Swiss cheese ego), strangers (exist to mock or manipulate), his daughters ( exist as caregivers of the other children) and even sickly truly who he ignores. The boys matter to him. The strapping young athletes! I was hoping that Logan was above thus hunger to impress Kody with his "man-card". I guess not judging by his muscle pic. I want the boys to move on and seek positive role models in other men. I hope that they find a coach (like hunter) or other strong responsible men to emulate. Kody is not it. His selfishness is awful ul. I would life to see that tell-nothing as the last show for the brown family. Good bye and good luck browns. Your 15 minutes was over last year and we just needed you to warm the tlc bench until Brady and pals get here. Tlc will keep the 5 wives on until they begin their little people polygamist/gypsy weight loss show. This show was supposed to tell us about the daily life of a poly family. It has become a mockery of our time. I would love to see a real day in their lives. Cameras that follow them to the store and dry cleaners, not just the ones in the living room kitchen". I want to see who helps the kids with homework, who drives the carpool, who gets kids to band practice (hypothetically) I want to see mary packing up boxes for real. I want to see kody go to work. That will never happen because these folks have become a caricature of themselves. Thank you posters! I love your comments. Thanks for your living room cj! Sorry about the type o's my iPad won't let me correct when I am typing in the posting box.
ReplyDeleteIF Christine is pregnant, she may not want to advertise it till she is further along. I believe she has had at least one miscarriage, so she may be cautious about a pregnancy at her age. I hope that she IS pregnant, and that she is happy about it. I don't really care whether Robyn is pregnant or not, and I resent the way that TLC conspired with the Browns in leading the viewers to believe there really would be a big announcement.
ReplyDeleteConsidering how depressed Christine has been, and how negligent Kody is towards her and her children I hope Christine is not pregnant. No need to put her health and the health of a baby at risk to try and win the favor of an idiot man-child who has told the world repeatedly how repulsive he finds her.
DeleteHow old is Christine?
DeleteI think she is 41.
DeleteTLC should do a crossover. Logan and Jana Duggar go on a date, chaperoned of course
ReplyDeleteThe Duggars would never allow that crossover, but I think they would make a cute couple :)
DeleteNo way. Jana (and all of the Duggar kids) are nice and responsible and they deserve happy lives. They don't need any Brown drama in their lives. No snark from me for those kids. I wish them nothing but the best in life.
DeleteI actually like Logan too and wish him the best in life. And I will give credit where it's due to how the older Brown kids seem to be turning out. I hope the middle and younger kids turn out the same way, but I have some concerns about it given that they'll have had much more of their childhood engrossed in this show and drama and the move to Las Vegas. But I wish positive things for all of the Brown kids, too.
At least the brown kids as adults can live on their own before marriage and work or go to school without needing a sibling to tag along. And the Brown kids can make their own way. People should date who they want. No reason to out Logan or Jana in such a situation.
Deletekms: Just like one of Anna (Keller) Duggar's sisters, the Duggar kids could choose to do all of those things too. The choose not to.
DeleteOr Kody should do a wife swap with Michelle Duggar, she would never tell him her womb is closed!
DeleteHow do you think Kody feels knowing that Jim Bob Duggar has more kids with his 1 wife Michelle, than he has between 4 wives?
Lol that was funny
Delete"How do you think Kody feels knowing that Jim Bob Duggar has more kids with his 1 wife Michelle, than he has between 4 wives?"
DeleteAnd that Jim Bob has always supported them?! Look out Grody, they are coming to take your man card!!
Yes, and that Jim Bob respects and cherishes his wife, has remained completely faithful to her for 3 decades. Kody never had a man card. He's just a spoiled little boy.
DeleteNo the Keller parents and the a Duggar parents are not the same. Until a daughter Duggar moves out before marriage I wont believe it's a choice. In order for the one son to be a volunteer fireman the sister had to so it as well. One is learning midwifery. The sister is doing a doula so they can be paired up for training. Most education is done online or with a sibling accountability partner. Once married these restrictions are no more. I am fine for their homeschooling, it's the treatment of the adult children that is objectionable. Jinger wants to live in the city, Michelle explained she means 15 minutes from a walmart. How do you get out when you live in a small town no where near employment. Further we really don't know how close they remain to the siblings of anna who married and left their flavor of Christianity for another or the one who had a child early. I didn't recall all her family in Anna's wedding. The duggar boys are flying airplanes. The girls are not allowed to do anywhere near as much. A duggar boy joining the US military would also impress me. It just doesn't seem safe in their world for that to happen.
DeleteHow very strange to suggest that one of the daughters "has to" move out for anyone to believe they are making their own choices. They are grown people who can leave at any point. They stay because they want to stay and it's their choice. Just because they make choices that are different than what others think a person of that age "should" choose to do, doesn't mean it is not their own choice nor does it mean it's a bad or "less than" choice. I think it's really disempowering to those young women to diminish their pursuits.
DeleteWe know Amish kids can live in the English world cause some do. We believe the Browns that the kids don't have to practice the principal because they are leaving the nest as adults. They have unchaperoned exposure and way to make their way in the monogamous world. They can and do wear attire that was not allowed as minor children. Not all. Not all the time. But it's evidence that they really can chose when adults. I will not believe a Duggar adult child is free to be another flavor of Christian or is free to wear a shirt that shows the shoulder or that a duggar girl may live away from home before marriage without another family member present until one of them as adults do. Not every adult is free to leave any situation. I can not tell if it's by choice. I don't know how you can tell, since it's never been done. Do they own a car they can drive away with? They all decided as adults that their mom needs to be present for any skype or texting at age 21? I hope they have access to book money. The book about relationships when none of them even had gotten married yet. Half of them hadn't dated according to the rules the parents laid out for them that they "chose". Living at home it's daddys way. Daddy allowed a side hug. That is what Michelle said. Extended adolescence. I hope Jill finishes. Now that she is married she can go to school even if Jana isn't present and doesn't have to tag along when John David volunteers as a firefighter. I like Jill and I like Anna, an inlaw. Before there were 7 adults who finished school I was among those who thought the homeschool and protective nature of the family wasn't extreme. The raising of the children is fine, it's the management of the adults. I don't see them being the ones making the choice.
DeleteI think the fact that they are "Duggars" and have the notoriety that goes along with it affirms that they are indeed free to leave their situation. They would have many options open to them and many people more than willing to provide them with a means to support themselves (interviews, books, shows, etc.). Perhaps they don't consider their situation something they need escape from, perhaps it's something they value and are grateful for. I just don't need to see one of them take some sort of a dramatic turn in any direction as some sort of proof that they are functioning adults demonstrating free will. For me, I'll choose to give them the respect of taking their own word for it, as they themselves have described in interviews and their book.
DeleteÍ can only hope that the Duggar kids, the Gosselin kids, the Little People Big World kids, and the Brown kids are going to get their fair cut of the money from doing the shows they are on. Funny that Honey Boo Boo's mom has been one of the only TLC parents who has made clear she is setting aside money for the kids. I am sure the Little Couple's kids will have trusts set up as well.
DeleteOh, I would still rather be a Duggar than a Brown child, the Duggars are repressive, but I couldn't take the chaos with the Browns.
DeleteAnon 9:22, totally agree. And would also be very surprised to hear the Little Couple's kids didn't have trusts set up. Love that family!
DeleteThe Duggar kids are living in just as much religious oppression as the Browns. The Quiver Full movement is very emotionally dangerous. The kids do not have freedom to choose even as adults. There was a blog that Michelle Duggar was apart of in which she talked about Blanket Training. It has since been taken down. The basic gist was that she would put a baby on a blanket and tell it to stay. Then she would tempt it off. Each time it would leave the blanket she would hit it with a ruler to teach it to obey what she says. She stated that by the time kids are two they should obey without question. The movement also teaches that it is not enough to obey. Being seen as unhappy or sad is being seen to be in direct rebellion to God. Because we should always be happy about his blessings. The kids are not allowed to have much contact with other beliefs. Their dad arranges female marriages. This is almost as oppressive as Polygamy. I think I don't want to live either.
DeleteI will say, that the Duggars do financially support the family. They do have a lot of budgeting techniques and things they do to live within their means. I do think the Browns could learn from that.
The Brown family is chaotic, oddball, and often irresponsible, no doubt about it. But the parents have always presented very clear message that their children--male and female--are free to make their own choices in life. They are insistent that the kids go to college, and they don't rule over the young adult decisions. This is now showing up beautifully in the older kids--they seem to be determined, hard-working, and diverse in their pursuits--they all seem pretty happy, too. By contrast, there is blatant repression and hyper-control in the Duggar household, and by outward evidence, all the young Duggar adults are held in an iron fist of gender expectations and fear/shame-driven choices. As off-the-wall as I find the Browns to be, I'd take their brand of nuttiness over the creepy Duggar throwback world ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
DeleteI can't believe I'm saying this, but if the choice for me was between being a Brown kid or a Duggar kid, I would choose Brown any day. For all of Christine's foibles, she did seem to raise up a decent bunch of Brown kids while Janelle was working and Meri was doing whatever.
DeleteI'm with Anon 9:23. I'd choose to be a Duggar any day of the week!
DeleteDuggar all the way any day!
DeleteEechhh...the Duggars are incredibly creepy. Brown's make me roll my eyes or yell at the TV, but Duggars make the hair on the back of my neck stand up and my stomach go greasy.
DeleteIt was obvious to me that there were some issues between Christine and Robyn on that couch. I think Christine is tired if everything being all about Robyn. When Robyn was kissing up to Kody about how hard he has it, it was Christine that was like, dude you chose this so deal with it (my paraphrase of her statement). When Robyn talked about her fear of Meri making new friends at college, it was Christine who basically said that would be good for Meri. She disagreed with Robyn, the apparent family spokesperson, and was not afraid to do it on air. You know they all cringe when Christine opens her mouth because they don't know what she's going to say. This time, though, I'm proud of Christine. I don't much like her obnoxious personality, but I'm glad she is challenging Robyn's role and all the perks (ie, extra time) she seems to get. Janelle and Meri sit quietly, afraid to rock the boat or blow their cover - but hey, at least Christine will say what's on her mind (even if it is for attention)! Hahaha.
ReplyDeleteI think Christine's main issue is that she was the Robyn in the family. She was the youngest, newest wife who "saved their bacon". She talks about how that was the role she always wanted and she seemed to get a lot of Kody's attention. Then along comes Robyn and Christine is replaced. I think that's one of the reasons she's so loud and immature, she's desperate to get Kody's attention back and be his princess again. Sadly for her, that ship has sailed.
DeleteIf you want to know just exactly how deluded these people are, Robyn's tweet that Kody doesn't "toot his own horn" is the epitome. WTF? Tooting his horn is Kody's primary occupation. They really do think their viewers are idiots, honestly.
ReplyDeleteYou can always tell when Christine is taking a point of view to one-up or irritate another wife. On one of the interviews or couch sessions in the past, she spouted that when she was studying for the useless real-estate license exam, she had no support from her sister wives and she was feeling more like a single mother and she sort of looked at them all and said sooorrrry but this is not what I signed on for or something similar. While Janelle, Meri, and Robyn are not as blatant in their attacks on each other, Christine does tell it like it is. When Meri has fussed at her kids, she has said that it was the wrong time and something she and Kody should have handled, which goes against her whole bonus mom thing. I can only imagine how pissed each one of the wives were knowing that yet again, Kody and Robyn were getting time separate front he other other wives to talk about their objectives...their problems..their sex. I am not even sure that Robyn realizes that her motives for offering to be a surrogate or wanting to save the family's finances, or any of her great ideas to be the altruist one come off as her being not only unrealistically idiotic but also her being totally narcissistic. I think she sees herself as the hero and she makes these offers so the others will love her and the audience will see her as a truly good person, so her motives are, again, selfish. That's her struggle to prove that she is misrepresented. Christine, on the other hand, doesn't try to be something for someone else and she doesn't care. That's why she bursts out her crap. Meri and Janelle are just like deers in headlights...don't look at them...don't talk to them...let the younger wives get judged. LOL I love it.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree that every move Robyn makes is very self serving. When Meri was struggling with the do I, or don't I, baby/surragate issue. Christine pointed out that Meri would want to carry it herself if possible.Robyn just grinned sheepishly and shrugged her shoulders," I was just trying to give her options." Nice Robyn! Way to make Meri's biggest source of pain about you and your "selfless offer".
DeleteWhen she watched Janelle's kids.."Please let her see my value to this family." She really didn't care about helping Janelle..just a way to boost her points in the family,
In the beginning..she would make a point of saying how this kid or that kid was over at her house,like she was so needed. Once in awhile the Krew would throw her a bone and say she was "sweet" or the "voice of reason" in their conflicts. They can't stand her anymore than they can stand one another. She is an interloper. She was wrong to enter into this family. There hadn't been a new wife for a very long time. The other three had learned to co-exist with their dysfunction.Robyn was an affair. A secret that Kody and Meri sprang on the other two. What was she expecting,the red carpet rolled out for her. She is horrid.
Perhaps Christine opened the sewage valve and felt a little guilty so she ran off the set...
ReplyDeletethanks for that clip, anon 7:44. listening to robyn go on and on about old couples holding hands in the sunset killed some brain cells over here.
ReplyDeleteWhat on earth did Robyn's comments have to do with polygamy anyway? She's never seen old monogamous couples holding hands in the sunset? Hey Robyn, here's an idea for you. Drive less than 10 miles in any direction and look around. I guarantee you'll see at least one very happy, old, monogamous couple. I doubt you'll see even one old polygamous couple, happy or unhappy.
ReplyDeleteThanks for saving me the Amazon fee to watch the "tell all" which is *always* anything but a tell all. Why do they even call it a "tell all" when the Brown's sit there on the interview couch avoiding each other, avoiding truth, and avoiding actual answers? I think this show has run it's course, and I think this next season (which I guess they are getting) will be the last one. Now if they wanted to keep going and have "breakout reality shows" they should maybe do some of the following:
ReplyDelete1.) Run Janel Run - Janel leaves the Brown Klown Krew and ventures out into a world of dating, exercise, working, and raising the remaining children on her own. I would watch this!
2.) The Un-Meri'd Brown - Meri divorces Kody legally. She takes her financial half and peaces out. She sends post cards (on camera of course) back home to the ex and his mistresses as she travels ALL OVER THE WORLD. In her down time she becomes a "official" member of Van Lady Love playing the banjo.
3.) PRINCESS CHRISTINE - Christine gets hired to play a princess at Disney World and leaves Kody and all the kids she has and her "bonus" kids, taking pictures of sickly children that come to Disney World with Make A Wish and putting them all over Twitter becomes her niche.
4.) Robyn's Eggs - Robyn opens her own surrogate clinic (with questionable funding) and hires doctors to impregnates unsuspecting women with KODY'S KIDS (her eggs of course). The reveal is done on camera to the parents, and all reactions are aired.
What do you guys think?
So glad to have found your site CJ. Have been looking for a blog on SW for ages.
ReplyDeleteI almost can't look at the top picture for this segment!! LOOK AT THOSE BEADY LITTLE PIG EYES the Kodster is donning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO ew. How he got one wife? Not explainable. How he managed to get four? WHOA. There is something VERY wrong with our society!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Women, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WAKE UP!! This guy is creepy and not going to hook you up in this... or the next life!!
ReplyDeleteI haven't followed this thread for a good long time. Looking at Robyn, it looks like her face is thinner, more boney looking like one of those dried apple doll heads. Has she been ill sometime over the last couple of years? Anyone know?
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